Why is continuity necessary before applying the Extreme Value Theorem?

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The discussion centers on the necessity of continuity in applying the Extreme Value Theorem (EVT). It is established that a function must be continuous on a closed bounded interval to ensure the existence of absolute maxima or minima. The example provided illustrates that values approaching a supremum, such as 2.999999999, do not guarantee a maximum since they are not within the function's domain. The left branch of the function is continuous only on the half-open interval [0, 1), highlighting the importance of continuity for the EVT to hold true.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
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Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?

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ChiralSuperfields said:
Homework Statement: Please see below
Relevant Equations: Please see below

For this problem,
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Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?

Many thanks!
We get always a higher value with every 9 we add.

3 is a supremum (lowest higher boundary) of the function, but not a maximum (highest value).
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?
You are confusing the function value with a value in the domain. 2.9999999 is not even in the domain.

With that correction, your question becomes "Why cannot we say that ##f(0.999999999) ≥ f(x)##?
Note that there are values of x closer to 1 than 0.99999999, so for those x-values, f(x) > f(0999999999).
In case you aren't aware, the extreme value theorem doesn't apply here, as far as a maximum value is concerned. The necessary condition is that the function must be continuous on a closed bounded interval. The graph of the left branch of the function is continuous only on the half-open interval [0, 1) and is discontinuous at x = 1.
 
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What part of the problem states that the Extreme Value Theorem is required to prove the problem statements? This example shows that continuity is required before the Extreme Value Theorem can be applied. I suspect that you have misunderstood the point of the example.
 
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