Why Is Cv Used in Adiabatic Processes?

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamic cycle involving a gas in a piston-cylinder assembly, specifically focusing on the processes of adiabatic compression, isometric, and isobaric transformations. Participants are exploring the implications of using specific heat capacities, Cv and Cp, in different thermodynamic processes, particularly in relation to adiabatic processes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the application of Cv in adiabatic processes, questioning why it is used when the process is neither isometric nor isobaric. There is also discussion about the relationship between internal energy and temperature for ideal gases, and how Cv and Cp relate to different types of processes.

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The discussion is active with participants sharing insights and clarifications regarding the use of heat capacities in thermodynamic equations. Some participants are exploring the definitions and implications of Cv and Cp, while others are questioning assumptions related to ideal gas behavior.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the necessity of mass information for solving the problem, as well as the conditions under which Cv and Cp apply, particularly in the context of ideal gases.

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Homework Statement


A gas in a piston-cylinder assembly undergoes a thermodynamic cycle consisting of three processes.
Process 1-2: adiabatic compression with pV1.4 = constant from p*1 = 50 psia and V1 = 3 ft3 to V2 = 1 ft3.
Process 2-3: isometric,
Process 3-1: isobaric with U*1 - U*3 = 46.7 Btu.
Neglect kinetic and potential energy changes. Show the pV diagram of the cycle with arrows indicating work & heat transfer during each process labeled according to the statements above. Show the direction of each process with arrows. Show all work on back of the page as needed. Determine
a. The net work.
b. The heat transfer for process 3-1 in Btu.
c. The temperature T1, if this is air as an ideal gas.
d. The change in temperature, T1 – T3, if cv = constant.

Am I correct in assuming that the mass should be provided?

Homework Equations



dU= dQ-dW

pV=RT

dW=p*dV

dH = dU + d(p*V)

The Attempt at a Solution


Found: parts a and b without trouble.

Having trouble finding T1 with given information.

I also am confused with the use of Cp and Cv in general. I know dU=Cp*dT for isobaric processes, and dU=Cv*dT for isometric processes. I do not understand why Cv should be used for an adiabatic process, when it is obviously not isometric or isobaric. I also do not understand the fact that Enthalpy and Internal Energy are seemingly interchangeable for Cp, i.e. dH=dU=Cp*dT for isobar.

I'd really appreciate some help with this, thanks guys.
 
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Texag said:
I also am confused with the use of Cp and Cv in general. I know dU=Cp*dT for isobaric processes, and dU=Cv*dT for isometric processes. I do not understand why Cv should be used for an adiabatic process, when it is obviously not isometric or isobaric.

Hold on: dU=C_V\,dT for a constant-volume process, and dH=C_P\,dT for a constant-pressure process. But for an ideal gas, U=C_VT+U_0; the energy depends on temperature only. So for an ideal gas, \Delta U=C_V\Delta T=(C_P-R)\Delta T for all processes; the C_V (or C_P) is just a parameter. Sound good?
 
Mapes said:
Hold on: dU=C_V\,dT for a constant-volume process, and dH=C_P\,dT for a constant-pressure process. But for an ideal gas, U=C_VT+U_0; the energy depends on temperature only. So for an ideal gas, \Delta U=C_V\Delta T=(C_P-R)\Delta T for all processes; the C_V (or C_P) is just a parameter. Sound good?

Thanks for the reply. So, is it just when not under the ideal gas assumption that dU=C_V\,dT for a constant-volume process (only)? Just seemed a little redundant, but if I was missing out on assuming ideal gas, then that explains it.

Thanks again.
 
For any closed, constant-volume system, dU=C_V\,dT. This comes from the definition of heat capacity C_X=T(\partial S/\partial T)_X, where X is the constraint condition (like constant volume) and the general differential energy expression dU=T\,dS-P\,dV+\mu\,dN where the change in volume dV=0 and the change in matter dN=0.
 

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