Why is degree of ionization inversely proportional to....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the degree of ionization in chemical solutions, particularly why it appears to be inversely proportional to concentration. Participants explore the implications of concentration changes on ionization and conductivity, touching on concepts from chemical equilibria and Le Chatelier's principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that a higher number of particles should lead to a higher degree of ionization, questioning the observed inverse relationship.
  • Another participant counters that the number of dissociated particles is determined by the equilibrium constant and concentration, suggesting that the initial assumption may not hold true.
  • A participant expresses confusion about why the ratio of dissociated to total particles decreases with increased concentration.
  • Discussion includes a reference to Le Chatelier's principle and its role in maintaining equilibrium, with a participant proposing a mathematical deduction related to equilibrium constants.
  • Another participant agrees with the mathematical deduction but emphasizes the importance of understanding the underlying equilibrium rather than relying solely on mathematical models.
  • A participant raises a question about the real-world implications of ionization and conductivity, particularly in the context of strong acids and bases.
  • One response indicates that increased concentration generally does not inhibit conductivity, except at very high concentrations where the linear relationship breaks down.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between concentration and degree of ionization, with some supporting the mathematical approach while others emphasize the need for a conceptual understanding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts in real-world scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as concentration levels and the nature of the solutions being discussed. The discussion also highlights the complexity of applying theoretical models to practical situations.

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Degree of ionization is the number of particles which dissociate by the total number of particles. if that's the case then higher number of particles should mean higher number of particles which get dissociated. this should also mean higher the concentration the degree of ionization will also be higher. but the reverse is true. why?
 
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Number of dissociated particles can be calculated from the equilibrium constant and concentration of the substance and doesn't necessarily follow simplified intuition expressed in your assumption:

esha said:
higher number of particles should mean higher number of particles which get dissociated

But even when this assumption is correct (which it typically is), your conclusion

this should also mean higher the concentration the degree of ionization will also be higher

is also wrong. Say, you have a solution where degree of dissociation is 10%, you double the concentration, number of dissociated particles gets 50% higher (assumption fulfilled) yet the degree of dissociation goes down to 7.5% (conclusion is false).
 
it might seem dumb but i can't understand why the ratio won't remain the same? why would it decrease
 
Because it is governed by other relationship. Have you learned about chemical equilibria?
 
ok so is le chattelier's principle working over here? let's say that we have a normal reaction where concentration was C initially
AB <=> A+ + B-
K= C(alpha) ^2 / 1-alpha (alpha = degree of ionization)
in the second case i change the concentration
but k value has to remain constant. hence if we need to regain back the same k value i wud have to multiply something smaller. so alpha value decreases. am i correct in this deduction ??
 
Yes, that's more or less what it is about. Note, that Le Chatelier's principle is only a proxy for the effects equilibrium has on the system. Instead of trying to understand the system in terms of dissociation degree and Le Chatelier's principle, work on understanding the equilibrium and you will always get to the correct result.
 
ok... so what i deduced was completely from Mathematical point of view. can u please explain why does it happen so in the real world? and one more stuff. in case of strong acids and bases we know that no such equilibrium exists when they ionize. so why does increase in concentration inhibit conductivity of the electrolyte?
 
using math (together with a correct model) is a perfectly valid approach to finding the answer.

esha said:
so why does increase in concentration inhibit conductivity of the electrolyte?

In general it doesn't, unless we are talking about very high concentrations, where we are no longer dealing with water solutions.

We are losing linearity much earlier, but that's because the linear model (that is, one in which conductivity is directly proportional to the concentration) is only an approximation and works well only for diluted solutions.
 

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