Why is e^-ipi equal to 1 in complex Fourier series?

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of the expression e^{-i\pi} in the context of complex Fourier series. Participants explore the implications of this simplification and its relation to the Fourier series coefficients, while also addressing the use of dummy variables in the equations presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the step where e^{-i\pi} is simplified to 1, indicating a lack of understanding of this relation.
  • Another participant explains that n and m are dummy variables, suggesting that their specific labels do not affect the underlying mathematics.
  • There is a claim that e^{-i\pi} equals 1, supported by the formula e^{i\theta} = cos(\theta) + i sin(\theta), with specific evaluations of cosine and sine at -π.
  • However, a later reply contests this claim, stating that e^{-i\pi} actually equals -1, providing the same trigonometric evaluations to support this correction.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the correction regarding e^{-i\pi} and notes that it simplifies their homework significantly.
  • Another participant raises a question about the differences in results obtained from using An and Bn constants versus Cn constants in the Fourier series, seeking insight into potential pitfalls or problem-specific issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the simplification of e^{-i\pi}, with some participants asserting it equals 1 and others arguing it equals -1. Additionally, there is no consensus on the implications of using different constants in the Fourier series.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and roles of n and m in the equations, as well as the implications of the alternating terms in the Fourier series, indicating that the discussion is still open to interpretation and clarification.

Poop-Loops
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I get how to do them, I just have one question.

An example that my prof. handed out has this:

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With the f(x) being 0 from -pi to 0, 1 from 0 to pi/2 and 0 from pi/2 to pi.

But my question is when he has the last line in that picture. He has e^-ipi -> 1? I'm not understanding that step he's doing there. I'm doing the first problem in the complex Fourier series section of the homework and I can't seem to simplify anything, so I'm guessing I'm missing some crucial relation here.

EDIT: Actually, I have no idea what the "n=m" part is either. I don't see "m" anywhere in the book.
 
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n and m are just dummy variables. They don't mean anything, you could just as easily use r, alpha or squiggle to denote elements in the index set.

There's no n=m on that page was there? n=4m, n=4m+2 and n=4m+1 or 3.

You can either sum over even n, or set n=2m and sum over all m.
 
Yeah I don't get the n=4m n=4m+2 etc parts.

What about the rest? Simplifying e^-ipi as 1?
 
Poop-Loops said:
Yeah I don't get the n=4m n=4m+2 etc parts.

What about the rest? Simplifying e^-ipi as 1?
Yes, that's true.

[tex]e^{i\theta}= cos(\theta)+ i sin(\theta)[/tex]
so
[tex]e^{-i\pi}= cos(-\pi)+ i sin(-\pi)= 1[/tex]
since [itex]cos(-\pi)= cos(\pi)= 1[/itex] and [itex]sin(-\pi)= sin(\pi)= 0[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, that's true.

[tex]e^{i\theta}= cos(\theta)+ i sin(\theta)[/tex]
so
[tex]e^{-i\pi}= cos(-\pi)+ i sin(-\pi)= 1[/tex]
since [itex]cos(-\pi)= cos(\pi)= 1[/itex] and [itex]sin(-\pi)= sin(\pi)= 0[/itex].

Unless I'm completely mistaken, that's wrong. It should be
[tex]e^{-i\pi}= cos(-\pi)+ i sin(-\pi)= -1[/tex]
since [itex]cos(-\pi)= cos(\pi)= -1[/itex] and [itex]sin(-\pi)= -sin(\pi)= 0[/itex].
 
Yeah, cos(pi) = -1

But I can't believe I forgot that... Wow... this makes the homework REALLY easy now. Thanks a lot! :D
 
Just another quick question. Right now I had to do the Fourier series the normal way with An and Bn constants and then do it with Cn constants the complex way.

The former way gave me alternating negative and positive terms and this way gives me either positive or negative terms straight across. Is there a common pitfall or something that I should check, or is it really problem specific? I'm not expecting someone to just say "oh yeah, you did blah blah" or something, but it's always worth a shot. :)

The terms have sines and cosines in them, too. So I just don't know how to make it alternate.
 
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