Why is ESP lumped with less credible phenomena?

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The discussion highlights the disparity in how paranormal phenomena, particularly psi or ESP, are perceived compared to other claims like UFOs or ghosts. While the scientific community dismisses psi due to a lack of empirical evidence, it argues that the existing scientific understanding of the brain and its complexities does not inherently contradict the possibility of psi phenomena. The conversation suggests that the skepticism towards psi may stem more from cultural biases and historical superstitions rather than solid empirical reasoning. Additionally, it points out that the current frameworks in physics, cognitive neuroscience, and psychology are incomplete, leaving room for the exploration of psi. Ultimately, the conversation questions whether the scientific dismissal of psi is justified given the gaps in our understanding of consciousness and brain function.
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ZapperZ said:
It's the same type of "phenomena" that Radin and SetAI are pushing for rabidly, and they both seem to claim that these things are credible. How can anyone fool themselves into saying that when the most respected and comprehensive study ever conducted so far on this thing gives a conclusion like that?

It is talking about one technique, not all so called psi phenomenon. This is like saying that since cold fusion doesn't work, all of nuclear physics is flawed. And no matter the signficance, it is evidence. It seems that by your contribution here we must allow this conclusion wrt remote viewing.

Also, we don't know how many tests didn't pass muster and how many were examined. Nor do we know how many may have produce results if done properly. There is not nearly enough information posted to allow any conclusions about the signficance of this study.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
It is talking about one technique, not all so called psi phenomenon. This is like saying that since cold fusion doesn't work, all of nuclear physics is flawed. And no matter the signficance, it is evidence. It seems that by your contribution here we must allow this conclusion wrt remote viewing.

Also, we don't know how many tests didn't pass muster, and how many were examined. There is not nearly enough information posted to allow any conclusions about the signficance of this study.

No, the study covers remote sensing, ESP, psychokinesis, etc. So I'm not sure what single "technique" that you are referring to.

It's too bad it isn't available online. I'm guessing it is available as a hard copy at libraries. But it is there, and unless someone can come up with a more comprehensive review, this is the only one that I know of. I don't ever remember any NAS studies that does not cover something very thoroughly, so you can bet that almost everything on this phenomenon that was published at that time would have been fair game.

Zz.
 

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