Why Is Fire Hotter with Sulfur Fuel?

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The discussion centers around the question of why fire fueled by sulfur is perceived to be hotter compared to fires fueled by materials such as paper, wood, or charcoal. Participants explore various chemical reactions, environmental implications, and the natural occurrence of sulfur.

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  • Some participants inquire about the evidence supporting the claim that burning sulfur produces a hotter fire than other fuels, suggesting that the temperature is related to the energy released in chemical reactions.
  • One participant mentions the enthalpy of combustion for sulfur and carbon, indicating that these values could explain differences in burning temperatures.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the environmental impact of burning sulfur, particularly the formation of sulfur dioxide and its potential to contribute to acid rain.
  • Another participant discusses the role of sulfur in black powder, suggesting it acts as a stabilizer to enhance combustion.
  • Several participants delve into the natural occurrence of sulfur, noting its presence near volcanoes and its production from hydrogen sulfide through various geological processes.
  • Standard heat of formation data for sulfur and carbon compounds is provided, with a participant explaining that the perception of a hotter flame may depend on the burning conditions and the availability of oxygen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the combustion properties of sulfur compared to other fuels, and there is no consensus on whether sulfur is definitively a hotter fuel. The discussion also includes various perspectives on the environmental implications of sulfur combustion.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the specific conditions under which sulfur burns hotter and the assumptions about the combustion environment. The discussion also touches on the complexities of sulfur's natural formation and its chemical behavior.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying chemistry, environmental science, or geology, as well as individuals curious about the properties and implications of different fuel sources.

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Why is fire hotter when fueled by sulfur as compared to say, paper, wood, or charcoal?
 
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Why is fire hotter when fueled by sulfur as compared to say, paper, wood, or charcoal?
Where did one find a statement that indicates burning sulfur produces a hotter fire than paper, wood, or charcoal?

The temperature depends on the energy released from the particular chemical reaction.

Find the enthalpy (per mole) or heat of combustion (in pure oxygen) released for the reactions

S + O2 -> SO2, and

C + O2 -> CO2, which must compete with C+O -> CO.

Check one's chemistry book.
 
I don't think you would want to use sulfur as a fuel. The product of combusting sulfur, SO2, could form sulfuric acid which would produce acid rain. The EPA has been trying to cut SO2 emissions for decades.
 
Your dam right gravenewworld, it could end up with SO2 or SO3 +H20 = H2SO3 or H2SO4 like you’ve said, Sulfurous acid or Sulfuric acid

EDIT: And in black powder, sulfur is just a stabilizer to make the KNO3 and C burns better, to me sulfur just reminds the black powder to burn with better results
 
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I read it somewhere long time ago but I couldn't remember which book or publication.

Is volcanic lava sulfuric?
 
How about, where and how is sulfur produced in nature?, all I know it’s always available near volcanoes
 
sulfur is everywhere in nature. a lot of SO2 is released when a volcano erupts. you also see a lot of sulfur in the human body. one of the characteristics of the tertiary structure of proteins is a disulfide bond. sulfur is also used a lot in medicines. mesylate salts of drugs are made to create prodrugs, although a lot of times this creates allergic reactions in the body.
 
Yip I know, but how is sulfur made/created by nature? Magic question
 
How is carbon made, how is hydrogen made, etc? Elements exist because they have always been there. The only way to "make" sulfur would be to smush the right amount of protons into the nucleus.
 
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Carbon is probably from some dead trees and some volcanic heat underground without the presence of mr. oxygen, but that “smush the right amount of protons into the nucleus” is the **** man! LOL
 
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Sulfur is made from hydrogen sulfide in volcanoes. Hydrogen sulfide is made from the thermal decomposition of sulfates (or biological reduction) in contact with low valent metals and water deep within the earth. Hydrogen sulfide gas rises until it reaches the surface and combines with oxygen to produce elemental sulfur. It also happens in some sewer systems. Layers of yellow sulfur are sometimes visible in manholes where air has come into contact with hydrogen sulfide (sewer gas).
 
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Standard heat of formation data:

CO2 -393.51 KJ
SO2 -296.9 KJ
SO3 -395.2 KJ

Thats the heat data. "Hotter" refers to temperature which is a function of how fast something burns and how much heat is produced per unit weight. Paper, wood or charcoal will burn hotter if you provide oxygen fast enough. If your observation is that a sulfur flame is hotter by some thermal measurement, it is because the burning process proceeds faster in your equipment for some reason. Charcoal burns somewhat cooler because is is covered with an ash coating that is not present in burning sulfur. Try adding oxygen to it and see what happens!

See here:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/Jul/20050703Comm006.asp
 
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chemisttree said:
Sulfur is made from hydrogen sulfide in volcanoes. Hydrogen sulfide is made from the thermal decomposition of sulfates (or biological reduction) in contact with low valent metals and water deep within the earth. Hydrogen sulfide gas rises until it reaches the surface and combines with oxygen to produce elemental sulfur. It also happens in some sewer systems. Layers of yellow sulfur are sometimes visible in manholes where air has come into contact with hydrogen sulfide (sewer gas).

This is some hardcore quality stuff man, thanks :rolleyes:
 

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