Why is initial velocity confusing during free fall?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of initial velocity in the context of free fall, particularly when a ball is thrown vertically. Participants are examining the implications of a velocity-time graph that indicates different velocities at various points in time.

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  • Participants are exploring the definition of initial velocity and its application in calculations, questioning why initial velocity might be considered zero in certain contexts despite being 20 m/s at the start. There is also discussion about the implications of the velocity-time graph and how it relates to different phases of the ball's motion.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of initial velocity during different phases of the ball's trajectory. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the velocity-time graph, but multiple interpretations of initial velocity are still being explored.

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There appears to be confusion regarding the definitions of initial velocity in different scenarios, particularly when comparing thrown versus dropped objects. The discussion is influenced by the specific conditions of the problem and the assumptions made about the motion of the ball.

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initial velocity confusion! please help!

hello all,
i am slightly confused about initial velocity during free fall
if a ball is being thrown in the air, and the velocity time graph shows 20m/s at 0 seconds, and -20m/s at 4 seconds, which is when the ball drops
if i want to calculate the displacement, i know that i can use the formula d=(vo)(t) +0.5(a)(t^2)
with vo being initial velocity
why is it that i would have to put 0 for vo? why isn't it 20m/s?
 
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Which displacement are you talking about? (I'm assuming that the ball is thrown vertically)
 
I'm not sure I understand your question. If a ball is thrown with initial velocity of 20 m/s, then that's your initial velocity. The V0 just means velocity at t=0. If a ball is dropped or released then its V0 is 0.
 
the ball is thrown vertically, displacement being the change in distance. oksanav: why is it that If a ball is dropped or released then its V0 is 0?, but then why would the v-t graph show 20m/s at 0 seconds?
 
When the ball's thrown initially, it has a velocity of 20 m/s, but as it reaches the top, its velocity goes to zero. After that, its velocity increases, now pointing down, reaching 20m/s just before hitting the ground. Depending on which part you're calculating, you're initial velocity will change.
 
moomoocow said:
the ball is thrown vertically, displacement being the change in distance. oksanav: why is it that If a ball is dropped or released then its V0 is 0?, but then why would the v-t graph show 20m/s at 0 seconds?

If a ball is dropped, there usually is no initial velocity, but there can be some. But in that case, it is a throw. It's all about directions.
 

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