Why is it easier to throw someone with a judo throw?

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The discussion centers on the mechanics and principles behind the effectiveness of judo throws compared to conventional lifting methods. Participants explore concepts related to balance, torque, and control systems within the context of judo techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the ease of throwing in judo is related to the center of balance and lever action, comparing it to a plank balanced on a fulcrum with weights on either side.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of torques balancing around the center of gravity and questions whether the center of balance and center of gravity are the same, proposing practical applications of these concepts.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea that dynamics and control systems play a significant role in judo, suggesting that manipulating an opponent's balance can lead to them falling more easily.
  • Some participants mention the importance of timing and dynamics in fighting, indicating that effective fighters rely on these principles rather than just strength.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of judo throws, with some agreeing on the importance of balance and torque, while others introduce additional factors like dynamics and control systems. No consensus is reached on the primary reasons for the effectiveness of judo throws.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and relationships between center of balance and center of gravity, as well as the specific dynamics involved in throwing techniques.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying martial arts, physics, engineering, or anyone curious about the mechanics of movement and balance in physical activities.

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why is it easier to "throw" someone with a judo throw?

in judo,when we throw out opponents,the effort needed to throw them is significantly less then what one would expect.it is easier to throw a person with a judo throw than normally picking them up,moving them to the same distance,and then releasing them.why is that?
 
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It's all to do with centre of balance, essentially it's a lever action. Imagine a plank of wood balanced on a point in the middle. On one side is a 99kg weight, on the other a 100kg weight. To lift the 100kg side off of the floor one just has to apply >1kg of downward force onto the 99kg side.

Consider something simple like http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ogoshi.htm; the opponent is pulled forward slightly to bring them off balance, then they are pulled onto the attackers hip at their midrift bending forward (like the plank on the point). The weight of their legs (like the 100kg weight) is pulled up by the action of their upper body falling foward (like the 99kg weight) over the attacker. Does that make sense?
 


i think i get it now.the torqques on both sides of the fulcrum cancel out each other.this is very much similar to all the torques balancing each other about the centre of gravity.are the COB and the COG same thing?if they are,then can centre of gravity have interesting practical applications like this?(because most of them are just balancing things on things)
 


Not sure what you mean by COB and COG but yes this type of thing is used all the time in fields such as engineering and construction.
 


COB-centre of balance
COG-centre of gravity
 


I think there is more to it than simple stability, as in stopping a bus from toppling over. I reckon it's probably far more to do with the dynamics of 'control systems'. If you can sneak some spurious feedback signal into your opponent's balance system, he or she will almost throw themselves down. Let's face it, you can make someone fall over in a flight simulator when the rams are actually switched off.
Good fighters (any discipline) are working on timing and dynamics more than just brute strength. They probably haven't analysed what they're actually doing, of course - it 'just works' for them.
 


thank you for the answers!
 


If you want to see some sick Judo throws in a real fight watch Ronda Rousey in Strikeforce. Also see a beautiful maneuver from Demian Maia against Chael Sonnen. These will give you a great perspective.

Get into Judo, lots of fun.
 

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