Why is it Impossible to Solve the Three Body Problem Analytically?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of solving the three-body problem analytically, touching on its implications in classical mechanics and quantum mechanics. Participants explore the nature of chaotic solutions, the rarity of analytic solutions in physics, and the limitations of elementary functions in describing complex systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the inability to solve the three-body problem analytically may stem from a lack of sufficient elementary functions to provide closed-form solutions.
  • Others argue that the general three-body problem allows for chaotic solutions, as proven by Poincaré, which complicates the possibility of closed-form expressions.
  • It is noted that analytic solutions are rare in physics, with one participant quoting Laplace regarding the challenges of integration in nature.
  • Some participants emphasize that nature is predominantly nonlinear, and linear models, while useful, often fail to capture complex phenomena like chaos and emergent behavior.
  • One participant points out that the two-body problem, while nonlinear, does not exhibit chaos due to having fewer degrees of freedom.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of non-linear ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and partial differential equations (PDEs) in accurately modeling physical systems.
  • Another participant asserts that even with an infinite set of elementary functions, closed-form solutions for all complex physical systems remain unattainable.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reasons behind the impossibility of analytic solutions for the three-body problem, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of chaos and nonlinearity, as well as the unresolved nature of how many elementary functions might be necessary for various complex systems.

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Three (many) body problems where three or many bodies (particles) interact are impossible to solve analytically. First one appeared in classical mechanics where equations of motion of planets were tried to be found by applying Newton's 2nd law for system of planets and stars interacting via gravity. In quantum mechanics, problem appears in solving Schrödinger equation for molecules (finding a molecular wave function) which consist of at least 3 particles interacting via electromagnetism.

I am not sure why is solving such problems impossible to do analytically. I am guessing it has to do with the fact that we don't know enough elementary functions to be able to give a solution in closed form or simply that combination of elementary functions can't describe solution to many body problems.

What are your thoughts?
 
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The short answer is that the general 3-body problem allows for chaotic solutions as proven by Poincaré. A result so fundamental that a recent approach rather interestingly simply models some 3-body configurations as random walks.
 
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Dario56 said:
What are your thoughts?
In physics generally analytic solutions are a rarity. Laplace is often quoted as saying "nature laughs at the difficulties of integration".
 
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PeroK said:
In physics generally analytic solutions are a rarity.
Indeed. Nature is nonlinear at almost every level, with the set of realistic linear models having (waves hand) a measure of zero relative to the set of all models. The only reason linear models have "gotten" so much theoretical attention over time is because they are simple enough to be able to conclude a lot of stuff that, while interesting, at best only works as an approximation for the real world or in situations where we (e.g. via engineering) deliberately can construct parts of the real world to stay in the linear realm under some ideal conditions. But linear models are almost never able to capture interesting phenomenons like chaos and emergent behavior.

In fairness of the OP question I would like to add that the 2-body problem is (of course) not to be considered a linear problem, but (more handwaving) more like a degenerate nonlinear problem that has sufficiently few degrees of freedom for it to be unable to exhibit chaos.
 
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Filip Larsen said:
The short answer is that the general 3-body problem allows for chaotic solutions as proven by Poincaré. A result so fundamental that a recent approach rather interestingly simply models some 3-body configurations as random walks.
Yes, this is certainly the case. Chaos means extreme sensitivity on initial conditions and it is impossible to express such sensitivity mathematically in closed form.
 
Non linear ODEs can be hard enough to solve already, imagine what we have when we have a system of tenths or hundreds of non linear PDEs, which are possibly needed to describe accurately many physical systems. Simply chaos lol (pun intended).
 
Dario56 said:
I am guessing it has to do with the fact that we don't know enough elementary functions to be able to give a solution in closed form or simply that combination of elementary functions can't describe solution to many body problems.
Yes well I would dare to say that no matter how many elementary functions we have we still won't be able to give closed form solutions to all the complex physical systems, because every such system requires its own elementary functions. And the set of all functions is uncountably infinite.
 

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