Why is my equation not working for finding the angles of a triangle?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter LogarithmLuke
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Work
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on solving for the angles of a triangle where one angle is four times larger than another. The user set up the equation 4x + x + z = 180 but encountered a problem when the variables canceled out, leading to a tautological equation. The solution reveals that the system is underdetermined, as there are three variables (x, y, z) but only two equations, preventing a unique solution. To resolve this, additional constraints or relationships between the angles are necessary.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of basic triangle properties, specifically that the sum of angles equals 180 degrees.
  • Knowledge of algebraic equations and variable manipulation.
  • Familiarity with underdetermined systems in mathematics.
  • Ability to interpret and manipulate multiple equations simultaneously.
NEXT STEPS
  • Research methods for solving underdetermined systems in algebra.
  • Learn about angle relationships in triangles, including the properties of similar triangles.
  • Study techniques for deriving additional constraints in mathematical problems.
  • Explore the use of substitution methods in solving systems of equations.
USEFUL FOR

Students studying geometry, mathematics educators, and anyone interested in solving algebraic equations involving multiple variables.

LogarithmLuke
Messages
82
Reaction score
3
So given a problem where you have a triangle. One angle in the triangle is 4 times larger than another angle. How big are each of the angles?

So i set up the equation 4x+x+180-5x=180

One angle is 4 times large than another, hence 4x. The angles must add up to 180 because it's a triangle. The last one has to be 180 minus the the two others(4x+x). I see that the equation won't work because the x's cancel out, but i don't understand why this is not correct. I feel like I am missing out on something very basic and obvious but i can't seem to figure out what it is. Could someone help me out?

Btw i wasnt sure whether to put this here or in the homework section, Perhaps you mods could move it if it doesen't belong here?
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
It is because you don't have enough information.
You could have (1, 4, 175), (2, 8, 170), etc.
 
To better explain, you have what is called an underdetermined system.
## \left\{ \begin{array}{l l } x + y + z = 180 \\ 4x - y = 0 \end{array} \right. ##
Note that you have 3 variables and only two equations.
You can narrow down the possibilities, by constraining x, y, z to be positive values. Then you have 0< x < 36, giving 0 < y < 144, but still unless you know something else about the system, you will not find an answer.

In your equation that you built, you essentially used the same constraint equation twice. This gave you a tautological (always true) equation, 180 = 180.
Using x + y + z = 180 to define z = 180-x - y, and then substituting back into the same equation gives x + y + 180 - x -y = 180, just like you found. If you could find another relationship, you could hope to solve for one, and thus all, of the angles.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 38 ·
2
Replies
38
Views
6K
  • · Replies 59 ·
2
Replies
59
Views
230K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K