Why is probability defined in space rather than at a point in quantum mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of probability in quantum mechanics, specifically why probability is defined in terms of space rather than at a single point. Participants explore foundational concepts related to probability density, the nature of electrons, and the implications of wavefunctions.

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  • One participant questions why probability is defined in space rather than at a point, proposing two possible explanations: that the probability at a point is zero due to the infinitesimal nature of dx, and that electrons may not be point objects.
  • Another participant confirms that probability density is defined, emphasizing that probability can only be assigned to a volume, not a point.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether probability at a point is always zero and questions the point-like nature of electrons.
  • Another participant suggests that electrons may be considered point-like based on current understanding, referencing a source that discusses electron substructure and charge density.

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Participants generally agree that probability density is defined in space and that probability at a point is not meaningful. However, there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the nature of electrons and whether they can be considered point objects.

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Participants express uncertainty about the implications of wavefunctions, particularly regarding the necessity of complex components for understanding probability density. There is also a lack of consensus on the point-like nature of electrons.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in foundational concepts of quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the nature of probability and wavefunctions.

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I have started quantum mechanics on my own using online lectures. So i have very basic doubts:

1) probability of electron is defined in space rather than a point. My question is why don't we comment about probability at a point.
I thought two possible explanation that:
1.1)ψ2dx the dx term goes zero so probability at point is zero
1.2)electron is itself not a point object(which i don't know is true or not) 2)if we are given real valued wavefunction graphs can we can we comment on probability density without knowing the complex part.(i hope not)
 
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Hello Naman, :welcome:

1) probability density is defined. As you indicate, probability itself can only be given for a volume, not for a point.

2) no we can not. But 'real valued wavefunction graphs' are rare: most of the time we get presented amplitude graphs.
 
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Ok, so can we say probability at a point is zero always.
And is electron point object??
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Hello Naman, :welcome:

1) probability density is defined. As you indicate, probability itself can only be given for a volume, not for a point.

2) no we can not. But 'real valued wavefunction graphs' are rare: most of the time we get presented amplitude graphs.
 
For all we know it is, yes. http://gabrielse.physics.harvard.edu/gabrielse/overviews/ElectronSubstructure/ElectronSubstructure.html are of the order of ##10^{-20}## m. Just try to imagine the charge density :smile: !
 
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