Why is separation of earth and sky so common in different mythologies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the commonality of the separation of Earth and sky in various mythologies worldwide. Participants examine the reasons behind the belief that Earth and sky were once joined and the observations or reasoning that may have led to such narratives. The conversation touches on the implications of these myths in different cultural contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the visibility of Earth and sky touching at the horizon may have influenced the belief that they were once joined.
  • Others argue that myths often reflect the environment and experiences of the people, such as tribes living in flat plains or by the sea, which shapes their creation stories.
  • A participant notes that while some mythologies depict the separation of Earth and sky, others describe different origins, such as the sky emerging from primeval waters or being part of a world tree.
  • Examples of mythologies that feature the separation of Earth and sky include Egyptian (Geb and Nut), Greek (Uranus and Gaia), Maori (Rangi and Papa), and Sumerian (An and Ki).
  • There is a discussion about whether the prevalence of certain creation myths is influenced by cultural dominance, such as Judeo-Christian narratives, or if it reflects a human tendency to prefer unified-origin stories.
  • Some participants question the accuracy of attributing certain myths to specific deities, such as confusing Kronos and Rhea with Uranus and Gaia in Greek mythology.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of myths and the need to clarify the distinctions between different types of separation narratives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the topic, with no clear consensus on the reasons behind the commonality of the separation of Earth and sky in mythologies. Disagreements arise regarding specific mythological references and interpretations, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of their interpretations, such as the dependence on cultural context and the potential for misattribution of mythological figures. The discussion highlights the complexity of mythological narratives and the varied environmental influences on their development.

  • #31
tarekatpf said:
Sorry about my late reply. Though I replied to a later post by Simon Bridge, I waited to reply to your post, because so far your explanation ( "The separation of Earth and sky in creation myths is probably shakey, tentative groundwork in an attempt to explain gravity and buoyancy." ) seemed most reasonable to me. ( I wrote something similar in the post number 18 ). I was busy and didn't have time to read your post with proper concentration.

And thanks a lot for the link to Aristotle's Physics. It really helped me.
Glad you liked the post. (I'm sorry I didn't notice your prior mention of Aristotle.)

There's another possibility, which is that "sky" might stand for a mystical concept in some of these myths, not the literal sky. Genesis begins, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...". Notice "heavens" is plural. In some mystical traditions the "heavens" are non-corporeal planes of existence. There are 7 heavens, 7 different levels of spiritual refinement. "Earth" would be everyday reality, while the "heavens" would be mystical, spiritual planes of existence accessed only by the spiritually advanced (i.e. distinctly separated from mundane earth). A word that has been translated as "sky" might have been better translated as "heaven" or more specifically, "spirit plane". The separation of sky and Earth would refer to a separation of the spirit plane from mundane reality. I think it's a possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Heavens
 
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  • #32
zoobyshoe said:
Glad you liked the post. (I'm sorry I didn't notice your prior mention of Aristotle.)

There's another possibility, which is that "sky" might stand for a mystical concept in some of these myths, not the literal sky. Genesis begins, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...". Notice "heavens" is plural. In some mystical traditions the "heavens" are non-corporeal planes of existence. There are 7 heavens, 7 different levels of spiritual refinement. "Earth" would be everyday reality, while the "heavens" would be mystical, spiritual planes of existence accessed only by the spiritually advanced (i.e. distinctly separated from mundane earth). A word that has been translated as "sky" might have been better translated as "heaven" or more specifically, "spirit plane". The separation of sky and Earth would refer to a separation of the spirit plane from mundane reality. I think it's a possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Heavens

Yes, that's a possibility, too. Like, the heaven they saw ( the lowest one ) always followed strict orders ( apart from those occasional comets, perhaps, which they interpreted as the wrath of gods ), whereas things on land were less predictable.
 

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