Why is Sodium Abbreviated "Na"?

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The discussion revolves around the abbreviation of sodium as "Na" and the processes behind element naming conventions. Participants explore historical, linguistic, and cultural aspects of chemical nomenclature, as well as the role of IUPAC in naming new elements.

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  • Some participants question why sodium is abbreviated as "Na" instead of a more intuitive abbreviation like "So".
  • Others explain that "Na" comes from the Latin word "natrium".
  • A participant mentions that the naming of new elements is determined by IUPAC.
  • There is a discussion about the reliability of Wikipedia as a source for chemical information, with mixed opinions on its accuracy.
  • One participant provides historical context, linking "natrium" to ancient Egyptian practices involving natron.
  • Another participant notes that the naming conventions for elements vary by region, particularly between Nordic countries and Germany versus France and England.
  • Several participants discuss other elements with symbols that do not match their modern names, citing examples like lead (Pb for plumbum) and the implications of these names in language and culture.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange about the term "googlable" and its acceptance as a word.

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Participants express differing views on the reliability of Wikipedia and the historical naming conventions of elements. There is no consensus on the best approach to understanding the origins of element names, and multiple competing perspectives are presented.

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Some discussions reference historical naming practices and the influence of different languages on element symbols, indicating a complexity in the topic that may not be fully resolved.

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Why is Sodium "Na"? Shouldn't it be called "So" or something like that? What is the process for deciding the abbreviations for elements?
 
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That's so easily googlable...
Wikipedia said:
Sodium is a chemical element with symbol Na (from Latin natrium)

For new elements, the naming is decided by IUPAC.
 
DrClaude said:
That's so easily googlable...For new elements, the naming is decided by IUPAC.
I didn't want to Google it, because I know from experience that Wikipedia can be a dark and unknowledgeable site sometimes. I posted the question(s) here in hopes that someone would know more (or at least be able to explain it better) than whoever wrote the page on Wikipedia.

Thank you for the information, though.

P.S. Is "googlable" an actual word yet?
 
IgnisAckerman said:
I didn't want to Google it, because I know from experience that Wikipedia can be a dark and unknowledgeable site sometimes. I posted the question(s) here in hopes that someone would know more (or at least be able to explain it better) than whoever wrote the page on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is not that bad, at least when simple facts are concerned. Googling would also have given you many references other than Wikipedia.

IgnisAckerman said:
P.S. Is "googlable" an actual word yet?
Not according to Merriam-Webster or the OED. Only "google" as a verb seems to be accepted.
 
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IgnisAckerman said:
P.S. Is "googlable" an actual word yet?
It is now :woot:
 
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Natrium -> natron. Natron is the dry white sodium salts mixed (several different ones) residue in dry lake beds. Egyptians used it in the mummification process. Romans knew about it, hence the Latinized name, derived from Egyptian.

This discusses a possible origin for the word natrium in Middle Egyptian, but like any decent write up on the subject of Middle Egpytian language it is all over the place:
https://ancientneareast.org/2012/02/10/an-excursus-on-the-egyptian-word-ntr/
Do a forward find on 'natron'.
 
IgnisAckerman said:
P.S. Is "googlable" an actual word yet?

Perfectly cromulent!BoB
 
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The abbreviations and many of the names of the elements used in the nordic countries and in Germany, as opposed to France and England, where coined by Jöns Jakob Berzelius. Needless to say that this created a lot of dispute at the beginning of the 19th century.
Confer the book "Historical Studies in the language of Chemistry" by M. P. Crosland.
 
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I don't know if they do still but I can remember, mnyah mnyah, when French texts were still insisting on writing Az for N.
 
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There are a number of elements which have symbols that don't match up with their modern names, most derived from ancient names for them. One in particular found its way into our language in a number of ways, And that is Pb for lead. The Pb stands for Plumbum, the ancient name for lead.
This is also why we call the water pipes "plumbing", as they used to use lead for that.
Since lead is heavy and it once was believed that heavy object fell faster, we also get the word plummet from this.
Lead weights hung from strings are called plum bobs. And these were used to make things were perfectly vertical or 'Plumb'. And since you could also lower them in the water to measure the distance to the bottom, they were used to "plumb" the depths.
and lastly if you ate too much of a particular fruit it lead to an "heaviness" in your bowels, they were named "Plums".
 
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Janus said:
There are a number of elements which have symbols that don't match up with their modern names, most derived from ancient names for them.
I would add that this depends on which "modern language" you consider. The names are not the same in every language, the symbols are ( I hope).

For example, symbols for Gold, Iron, Tungsten, Lead , Tin, Silver make perfect sense in romance languages, like in Romanian for example.
 
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DrClaude said:
That's so easily googlable...

I think you've invented a new word. It expresses the advice you was giving perfectly.
 

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