Why is the absolute value of x equal to -x for values under zero?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of absolute value, specifically why the absolute value of a negative number is expressed as -x. Participants also explore a limit problem related to calculus, examining different approaches to solve it.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why |x| equals -x for x < 0, suggesting confusion about the definition of absolute value.
  • Another participant provides an example, |-7| = -(-7) = 7, to illustrate the necessity of the negative sign in the definition of absolute value for negative numbers.
  • Several participants discuss a limit problem, with one suggesting the use of the delta-epsilon method, while others mention L'Hôpital's rule as a potential approach to evaluate the limit.
  • There is acknowledgment of the cleverness of multiplying by an appropriate numerator and denominator to simplify the limit expression.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the help received in solving the limit problem, indicating a struggle with calculus concepts after a long break.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial question regarding the absolute value definition, as one participant is confused while another provides clarification. The limit problem discussion shows some agreement on the methods to approach the solution, but no definitive resolution is presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific mathematical methods (delta-epsilon, L'Hôpital's rule) without fully resolving the implications or limitations of these approaches in the context of the limit problem.

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Readers interested in understanding absolute value concepts, limit evaluation techniques, or those seeking help with calculus problems may find this discussion beneficial.

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Here, it says that for the limit f(x) = |x| / x,

|x| = { x, x > 0
-x, x < 0 }

What I don't undestand is why is |x| = -x for values under zero? Isn't the absolute value for negative values just x and not -x?

thanks.

EDIT: I don't want to start a new thread, but I got stuck on this next question :(

Lim x approaching -1 of
3(1-x^2) / x^3 + 1

I tried multiply the equation by x^3 - 1 / x^3 - 1
and I ended up with 0 / -2.

The answer is however 2... any help would be helpful;!

Thanks
 
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Example: |-7| = -(-7) = 7.

Do you see why we need the minus sign?
 
morphism said:
Example: |-7| = -(-7) = 7.

Do you see why we need the minus sign?

Wow!1
Thanks a lot! I can't believe I cannot see such a simple logic...
 
Ofcourse, what you could do is, by knowing in forhand the limit, to use the delta-epsilon method. But that would become quite messy, I think.

Your strategy of multiplying the limit with 1 with apropriate numerator and denominator is clever, and is often useful when you deal with square roots.

Here however, you see that the denominator and numerator have the same limit: 0. That's an indication to use L'hopital. As far as I can see your limit is equal to

<br /> <br /> lim_{x \rightarrow -1} \frac{3-3x^{2}}{1+x^{3}} = lim_{x \rightarrow -1}\frac{-6x}{3x^{2}} = lim_{x \rightarrow -1} \frac{-2}{x} = 2<br />
 
haushofer said:
Ofcourse, what you could do is, by knowing in forhand the limit, to use the delta-epsilon method. But that would become quite messy, I think.

Your strategy of multiplying the limit with 1 with apropriate numerator and denominator is clever, and is often useful when you deal with square roots.

Here however, you see that the denominator and numerator have the same limit: 0. That's an indication to use L'hopital. As far as I can see your limit is equal to

<br /> <br /> lim_{x \rightarrow -1} \frac{3-3x^{2}}{1+x^{3}} = lim_{x \rightarrow -1}\frac{-6x}{3x^{2}} = lim_{x \rightarrow -1} \frac{-2}{x} = 2<br />

Thanks for the help! I was stuck on this equation for a while.
It's been about a year since I've even touched Calculus... I'm extremely rusty on the basics, and now I have to relearn everything!
 

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