Why Is the Energy of a Satellite in Geostationary Orbit Negative?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy of a satellite in a geostationary orbit, specifically addressing why the energy value is negative. The subject area includes orbital mechanics and gravitational potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of orbital energy using Kepler's laws and the velocity equation. Questions arise regarding the implications of a negative energy result and its relation to the type of orbit.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide clarifications on the nature of bound orbits and the significance of negative energy. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the radius of the geostationary orbit and the period of rotation of the planet.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the relationship between energy values and orbit types, noting that negative energy indicates a bound orbit. The original poster's method for determining the radius of the geostationary orbit is questioned, highlighting the importance of the planet's rotation period.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the energy of a 100kg satellite associated with a geostationary orbit around a planet.

Homework Equations



Kepler's 3rd Law:

T^{2} = \left( \frac{4 \pi^{2}}{GM_{p}} \right)r^{3}

Velocity equation:

v = \sqrt{\frac{GM_{p}}{r}}

Planet mass:

M_{p} = 5 \times 10^{20} kg

Satellite mass:

m_{s} = 100 kg

The Attempt at a Solution



Given the mass of the planet (M_{p}) I rearranged Kepler's 3rd law to get the radius of the geostationary orbit, then used the velocity equation to calculate the velocity of the satellite in this geostationary orbit.

I thought that I should then calculate the energy of the satellite by using the equation:

E = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2} - \frac{GM_{p}m_{s}}{r}

However this gives the result of E < 0 ! :rolleyes:

I'm sure it's a rather simple question but I just can't figure it out at the moment.. :frown:
 
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Johfb said:
However this gives the result of E < 0 ! :rolleyes:
And that bothers you why? :smile:

(All bound orbits have negative energy!)
 
I see.. :wink:

I thought that if E<0 then it was a closed elliptical orbit and that when E=E_{min} then it was a closed circular orbit.. so I was expecting to get E_{min} which would be small but positive. I'm a tad confused.

I couldn't see where my method or calculations were incorrect, so assumed it had to be right.. but I just don't really understand why the result of the energy is negative.. perhaps could you explain? :shy:
 
When:

E < 0 then: bound orbit (elliptical, circular, degenerate conic (straight line trajectory))
E = 0 then: unbound orbit (parabolic or straight line; escape velocity)
E > 0 then: unbound orbit (hyperbolic or straight line; V > 0 at infinity)

Also, if e is the eccentricity of the orbit, then:

E < 0 --> 0 < e < 1
E = 0 --> e = 1
E > 0 --> e > 1
 
Johfb said:
Given the mass of the planet (M_{p}) I rearranged Kepler's 3rd law to get the radius of the geostationary orbit, then used the velocity equation to calculate the velocity of the satellite in this geostationary orbit.

I'm curious to know how you determined the radius of the geostationary orbit without knowing the period of rotation of the planet.
 
Thanks for you explanation gneill :smile:

gneill said:
I'm curious to know how you determined the radius of the geostationary orbit without knowing the period of rotation of the planet.

The period of rotation of the planet is the same as the Earth i.e. T=86400s. So that's how I managed to do it :smile:
 
Johfb said:
I thought that if E<0 then it was a closed elliptical orbit
Right. But realize that a circle is just an ellipse with zero eccentricity.

but I just don't really understand why the result of the energy is negative..
See this general derivation of the mechanical energy of an orbiting body: http://faculty.wwu.edu/vawter/PhysicsNet/Topics/Gravity/GravityME-Dervation.html"
 
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