Why is the potential changing in my electrochemical cell setup?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the observed changes in potential within an electrochemical cell setup involving a phosphate buffer saline solution, a gold electrode, and a reference electrode (Ag/AgCl). Participants explore reasons for the potential drift over time and the factors influencing the measurements taken with a multimeter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the potential measured by the multimeter decreases every few seconds and questions why this occurs despite stable temperature and pressure conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that Ag/AgCl electrodes require time to equilibrate, recommending that the setup be left undisturbed for an hour to see if the drift subsides.
  • A participant raises the possibility that the concentration difference between the phosphate buffer saline (1M) and the salt bridge solution (3M NaCl) could be contributing to the potential drift.
  • Concerns are expressed about the multimeter drawing current from the cell, potentially causing polarization and affecting the potential readings. A suggestion is made to connect the meter only momentarily for readings.
  • One participant reports improved readings after allowing the electrodes to equilibrate for an hour, but notes that the potential measured after disconnecting the meter is lower than before, raising questions about the cell's behavior when not connected.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the causes of potential drift, with some suggesting time for equilibration and others pointing to the effects of current draw from the multimeter. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact reasons for the observed changes in potential.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the stability of temperature and pressure, the influence of different solution concentrations, and the effects of the multimeter's current draw on the electrochemical cell.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and students working with electrochemical cells, particularly those using Ag/AgCl electrodes, may find the insights and experiences shared in this discussion relevant to their own setups and measurements.

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I took some phosphate buffer saline(7.4) into a beaker, included a Au electrode and reference electrode (Ag/AgCl) and tried to measure the potential using multimeter. The temperature and pressure is assumable same. The multimeter shows the potential some milivolts but the potential is decreasing like every 2-3 seconds. I thought if temparature and pressure is not changed much it should be fixed... can someone explain the reason of potential change...
 
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In my experience (Ag/AgCl electrodes) the system needs time, up to a few hours, to equilibrate. Try leaving everything in place (with the power off) for an hour and see if the drift goes away.
 
@Andy, thanks for reply. I will try that...
 
Andy Resnick said:
In my experience (Ag/AgCl electrodes) the system needs time, up to a few hours, to equilibrate. Try leaving everything in place (with the power off) for an hour and see if the drift goes away.

still the drifting exists...can it be the reason that
The concentration of the PBS (does not contain NaCl) solution is 1M whereas the solution inside the salt bridge is 3 M NaCl.

If not, i guess may be the ref electrode is damaged some how...
 
neuro11 said:
still the drifting exists...can it be the reason that

I suspect that the problem with your setup is that your meter is continually drawing current from the cell and causing the cell to become polarized. It's only a small cell, you can't draw current without affecting the potential. Maybe if you only momentarily connect the meter to take a quick reading, then leave it disconnected from the cell for, say, 30 mins, before taking another reading might be an acceptable protocol (but I really don't know).

A multimeter with much higher impedance may be better, too.
 
NascentOxygen said:
I suspect that the problem with your setup is that your meter is continually drawing current from the cell and causing the cell to become polarized. It's only a small cell, you can't draw current without affecting the potential. Maybe if you only momentarily connect the meter to take a quick reading, then leave it disconnected from the cell for, say, 30 mins, before taking another reading might be an acceptable protocol (but I really don't know).

A multimeter with much higher impedance may be better, too.
thanks for the advice...
today i took new solution, immerged gold and ref. electrode, left them for hour for equilibrium and then took a 5 min reading. again left for another 20 min or so and took reading...in this way i received better reading...the drift is now 2-3 mv in those 5 mins reading. still acceptable for me.
But what surprising to me is, after that 5 min reading i disconnect the meter. so when i start taking reading again after 20 mins, the starting potential is lower then before. So my question what exactly was using my cell. as i have disonnected the meter the cell potential should not be used up right?
 

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