Why Is the Potential Different for Dielectric Constants in the Method of Images?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the method of images in electrostatics, specifically addressing a problem involving a charge in a dielectric medium with differing dielectric constants above and below a boundary. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the potential calculation for regions defined by these dielectric constants.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the rationale behind placing image charges in specific regions to satisfy boundary conditions. Questions arise about the logical steps leading to the placement of these charges and the implications for calculating potential in different regions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the reasoning behind the method and the assumptions involved in determining the potential. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions that must be satisfied, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach or understanding of the solution process.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment of the symmetry in the problem and the necessity for image charges to be placed in a manner that adheres to the physical constraints of the system. The discussion also touches upon the potential differences if the medium were to change, indicating a consideration of various scenarios.

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Hi everyone

I have an understanding problem concerning the method of images method

Homework Statement


Jackson uses this kind of problem in his textbook but I don't understand it.
We have a charge q on the z axis at distance d. the dielectric constant is e1 when z>=0 and e2 when z<0. Now I want to find the potential.


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The Attempt at a Solution



This is what Jackson does what I don't understand.

We use another charge q' at the opposite location to get the potential for z>0

\Phi =\frac {1}{4 \pi \epsilon_1} (\frac{q}{R_1}+\frac{q&#039;}{R_2})

This is equal to the case where we have only a conducting plate on the x axis. Now we have to find the potential for z<0 whereas Jackson says:
\Phi =\frac {1}{4 \pi \epsilon_2} \frac {q&#039;&#039;}{R_1}

I don't understand this step. The explantion which is given from Jackson doesn't help me either. How to I get to this solution?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Lindsayyyy said:
Now we have to find the potential for z<0 whereas Jackson says:
\Phi =\frac {1}{4 \pi \epsilon_2} \frac {q&#039;&#039;}{R_1}

I don't understand this step. The explantion which is given from Jackson doesn't help me either. How to I get to this solution?

Jackson is making an "educated guess" or "ansatz" and then showing that everything works out for a certain value of q''.

This guess can be motivated by a couple of observations:

(1) For determining the potential in the region z < 0, any image charge(s) must be placed in the region z > 0.

(2) The image charge(s) used to produce the potential for z < 0 must produce a potential that satisfies the boundary conditions at every point on the z = 0 plane (Jackson's 4.42 in second edition).

These two conditions pretty much require the image charge q'' to be placed in region z > 0 at the same location as the real charge q.
 
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Thanks for your reply, but I actually still don't understand the procedure. It feels like you have to know the solution in order to solve it. There is no logical approach for me :(
Why do I have to put a charge in z>0 in order to determine the potential in z<0?
 
In this problem it should be clear that the solution for ##\Phi(x, y, z)## will be axially symmetric about the z-axis in both regions. Thus, any image charges will probably have to be placed on the z-axis to preserve this symmetry.

##\Phi## will have to satisfy Laplace's equations at all points except the point where the real charge q is located. (This follows from equations (4.41) 2nd ed). Thus, in region z>0, ##\Phi## cannot have any singularities except at the location of q. So, when setting up images to produce the solution in the region z>0, the image charges must be placed on the z-axis in the region z<0. It is not at all obvious to me that the solution in region z>0 can be obtained by using just one image charge q' located in region z<0 at the same distance from z = 0 as q. But, it does turn out to work.

There can be no singularities for ##\Phi## in region z<0 since there are no real charges in this region. So, when deciding on where to place image charges for producing ##\Phi## in region z<0, the image charge(s) will need to be placed on the z axis in the region z>0. Using the observations that I gave in my previous post, it does seem natural to me to try a single image charge q'' located at the same position as q. The values of q' and q'' are then determined from the boundary conditions.

For me, there is an element of guessing in deciding where to place the images. (Sort of like learning integration techniques. In a complicated integral, you're not sure if a certain trig substitution, say, is going to work until you give it a try.) To my knowledge, there are only a relatively few geometries where you can use image charges and you get familiar with them by just studying solutions that are given in standard texts.
 
ok thanks for the help. if z>0 is in vacuum, the problem wouldn't change, would it? Except for e1=1 then.
 
That's correct.
 

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