Why is the third hydrogen attached to P instead of O in phosphorus acid?

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The discussion revolves around the structural characteristics of phosphorus acid (H3PO3) and the reasons behind the attachment of hydrogen atoms to phosphorus instead of oxygen. Participants explore theoretical explanations and stability concerns related to the bonding in phosphorus acid, as well as comparisons to other similar compounds.

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  • One participant questions why phosphorus acid is dibasic and why one hydrogen is attached to phosphorus instead of all three to oxygen, seeking a theoretical explanation.
  • Another participant suggests that if all three hydrogens were attached to oxygen, it would leave phosphorus with two empty bonds, implying instability.
  • A different participant argues that phosphorus can have two non-bonding electrons and maintain a formal charge of zero, questioning the notion of "empty" bonds.
  • Concerns about the stability of P(OH)3 are raised, with comparisons made to the instability of orthocarbonic acid and the stability of phosphorus esters.
  • Some participants express that the observed structure of H3PO3 may simply be the most energetically favorable, without a deeper theoretical explanation available.
  • Information about the tautomeric equilibrium between phosphonic and phosphorous acid is introduced, noting that both forms exist but with a significant equilibrium constant favoring one form.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the bonding structure of phosphorus acid. There are multiple competing views regarding stability and theoretical explanations, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include the lack of detailed theoretical explanations for the bonding preferences in phosphorus acid, as well as the dependence on the stability of different molecular forms.

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Stumbled upon this when I was looking at lewis dot electron structures. The phosphorus acid is dibasic. What prevents the third hydrogen from attaching to the third oxygen instead of the central phosphorus? Is there a theoretical explanation or we can only memorize this for a fact?

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Wouldn't that leave two empty phosphorus bonds? You wouldn't like phosphorus when it's angry.
 
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P will have 2 non-bonding electrons, its formal charge will still be 0. Things seem okay. What do you mean by two *empty* bonds?
 
So you mean why P(OH)3 is instable? Not sure, but similar instabilities apply to e.g. orthocarbonic acid C(OH)4 which dehydratizes to H2CO3. The esters P(OR)3 are stable, but can convert to O=PR(OR)2.
 
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No, that's not the question. The question is why in H3PO3, two Hs are attached to O, but one O is attached to P instead of all 3 Hs attached to all 3 Os.
 
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No, that's not the question. The question is why in H3PO3, two Hs are attached to O, but one O is attached to P instead of all 3 Hs attached to all 3 Os.

@DrDu is on point - you are asking why P(OH)3 is unstable. Were it stable it would be the form observed - but it isn't.

Which sometimes means "when you calculate the energies turns out the one we observe is optimal" - and there is not other explanation than "because that's the way it is". We can try to find some generalized "why?"(and it often nicely works as a rule of thumb for things that tend to repeat in many observed molecules), but the more rare the case is, the less valuable these ideas are - they don't add any real insight.
 
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Ah I see, that was my question. I was expecting a hand waving explanation instead of just how it is what it is. It doesn't sound like there is a hand waving explanation in this case.
 
Turns out that wikipedia contains some information on the tautomeric equilibrium between phosphonic and phosphorous acid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorous_acid
So both forms P(OH)3 and HPO(OH)2 exist but the equilibrium constant is K=10^10.3
For homologous arsenic, As(OH)3 is more stable. I am not sufficiently into inorganic chemistry to be able to provide a hand-waving explanation although it is certainly possible to come up with one knowing the size and energies of the orbitals etc.
 

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