Why is the Triangle Inequality |X+Y|<|X|+|Y| True?

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The discussion revolves around the Triangle Inequality in the context of vectors in n-dimensional real space, specifically examining why the inequality |X+Y| < |X| + |Y| holds true. Participants explore various proofs and interpretations, including geometric arguments and connections to the law of cosines.

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  • One participant questions the proof of the Triangle Inequality, suggesting it reduces to understanding why |X||Y| > sum of(xy), where xy represents the product of individual components.
  • Another participant presents a geometric argument based on the properties of quadratic functions derived from inner products, asserting that the determinant condition leads to the necessary inequality.
  • A third participant notes that the Triangle Inequality can be intuitively understood as a geometric property, stating that the length of one side of a triangle cannot exceed the sum of the lengths of the other two sides.
  • One participant points out that the law of cosines can be derived from the Triangle Inequality, emphasizing the relationship between the angle and the dot product of the vectors.
  • A later reply challenges the proof of the Triangle Inequality by suggesting that the law of cosines is typically derived from it, indicating a potential circular reasoning issue.
  • Another participant offers a simpler geometric proof for the law of cosines, suggesting a straightforward approach to understanding the relationship between the sides of a triangle.

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Participants express differing views on the proofs and implications of the Triangle Inequality and the law of cosines. There is no consensus on a single proof or interpretation, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding these inequalities.

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Some participants highlight the dependence on definitions and the potential circular reasoning in deriving the law of cosines from the Triangle Inequality. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with geometric and algebraic proofs.

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Suppose you had two vectors X and Y which are elements in in a n dimensional real space. Now why is |X+Y|<|X|+|Y|, I've been trying to understand spivak's proof but it boils down to why is |X||Y|>sum of(xy) where xy is the product of the individual components...
 
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If the norm is derived from an inner product (as, it would appear, in your case), there is the following standard geometric argument for the latter inequality.

Consider the following self-evident fact: [tex]\Vert x + ty \Vert^2 \ge 0[/tex], where [tex]t[/tex] is a parameter. Now, the left-hand side is a quadratic function in [tex]t[/tex], i.e. a parabola, but the inequality says that this parabola has to lie above the x-axis (with at most one real zero).
(If it were to have two real zeros, there would be a distinct interval where the parabola would go below zero, thus contradicting our initial inequality).

The determinant of the quadratic function above is just [tex]\left<x, y\right>^2 - \left\Vert x \right\Vert^2 \left\Vert y \right\Vert^2[/tex], and expressing the fact that the parabola has no two distinct zeros is done by saying that this determinant should be smaller than or equal to zero, which is the inequality you need.
 
but the first ineqality is the rather obvious "triangle inequality", that says one side, namely X+Y, of a triangle cannot be longer than the sum of the lengths of the other two sides, namely X and Y.

the second inequality is also easily seen from the law of cosines, that says

X.Y = |X||Y|cos(t) where t is now the angle between the vectors X and Y. Thus obviously (since cos is never greater than 1), we have
|X.Y|≤ |X||Y|.
 
True, but (1) try giving a sound proof for the triangle inequality, and (2) the law of cosines is usually a consequence of the triangle inequality: i.e. one defines the angle between two vectors as the arccos of X.Y / |X||Y| (which is smaller than one and hence in the domain of arccos).
 
You can prove the law of cosines quite simply by using a little geometry: it is just the cosine rule for triangles.
 

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