Why is the upper limit zero in this Laplace transformation problem?

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The discussion centers around a Laplace transformation problem involving the evaluation of an integral with an upper limit of infinity. Participants explore the implications of the upper limit being zero and the conditions under which the integral converges or diverges, particularly focusing on the behavior of the exponential function involved.

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  • One participant questions why the upper limit of the integral results in zero, expressing uncertainty about the behavior of the exponential function as the limit approaches infinity.
  • Another participant provides the anti-derivative of the integral, noting that if \( s > i \), the limit as \( t \) approaches infinity will be zero, while if \( s \leq i \), the integral does not exist.
  • A subsequent participant challenges the interpretation of \( s \leq i \) in the context of complex numbers, discussing the conditions under which the integral converges based on the real part of \( s \).
  • Further contributions clarify that the expression can be separated into oscillatory and decaying components, with the decaying part leading to a limit of zero as \( t \) approaches infinity.
  • One participant humorously refers to the oscillatory component as the "ghost of \( e^{it} \)" that disappears in the limit.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the conditions under which the integral converges, particularly regarding the relationship between \( s \) and \( i \). There is no consensus on the implications of these conditions, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight the dependence on the real part of \( s \) for the convergence of the integral, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical nuances or assumptions involved in the evaluation.

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I was performing a Laplace transformation problem,where I happened to face:

{lower limit constant and upper limit infinity} exp [(i-s)t] the variable being t.

I am not sure if the upper limit gives zero,but if I assume that the answer becomes correct.

Can anyone please tell me why the upper limit is zero here?
 
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OK,I am writing it in LaTeX:

[tex]\int^\infty_{2\pi/3}[/tex] [tex]\ e^{(i-s)t}[/tex] [tex]\ dt[/tex]
 
Friends,I do not know why the exponential dd not appear.Please assume this and let me know:
 
Well, obviously, the anti-derivative is
[tex]\int e^{(i-s)t}dt= \frac{1}{i-s}e^{(i-s)t}[/tex]
IF s> i, then the limit as t goes to infinity will be 0. If [itex]s\le i[/itex] the integral does not exist.
 
I see...Thank you.

Can you please tell me why the integral does not exist for i<s?
 
Moreover, what does an expression like [itex]s \leq i[/itex] mean, considering that the complex numbers are not ordered?

If [itex]s = \sigma + i\omega[/itex], then

[tex]\begin{array}{rcl}\frac 1 {i - s} e^{(i -s)t} & = & \frac1 {i - \sigma - i\omega} e ^{(i- \sigma - i\omega)t}\\&&\\ &=& \frac 1 {-\sigma + i(1-\omega)} e^{i(1-\omega)t} e^{-\sigma t}\end{array}[/tex]

which has a finite limit at infinity only if [itex]\sigma > 0[/itex], and hence [itex]\Re(s) > 0[/itex].

Hmm...maybe that's what was meant originally, then.
 
Yes,I afree.
If you take the modulus,the ghost of exp[it] runs away and the thing goes to zero as t tends to infinity
 
My mistake. I had not realized that "i" was the imaginary unit! In that case, separate it into two parts. [itex]e^{(i-s)t}= e^{it}e^{-st}[/itex]. The [itex]e^{it}[/itex] part oscilates (it is a sin, cos combination) while e^{-st} will go to 0 as t goes to infinity because of the negative exponential. The entire product goes to 0 very quickly so the anti-derivative goes to 0.

(The "ghost" of eit- I like that.)
 
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