Why Is the Wave Function Often Expressed as Psi = Cos(kr - wt) + i Sin(kr - wt)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mathematical representation of the wave function in quantum mechanics, specifically the form psi = cos(kr - wt) + i sin(kr - wt) and its equivalence to the exponential form e^[i(kr - wt)]. Participants explore why this specific representation is used over other potential forms and the implications of these choices in the context of the Schrödinger equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the wave function is expressed as psi = cos(kr - wt) + i sin(kr - wt) instead of alternative forms such as psi = sin(kr - wt) + i cos(kr - wt), psi = sin(kr - wt) + i sin(kr - wt), or psi = cos(kr - wt) + i cos(kr - wt).
  • Another participant suggests that the specific form relates to solutions of the free particle Schrödinger equation and encourages substitution to explore possible solutions.
  • There is mention of key existence theorems in partial differential equations that may restrict the forms of solutions available.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the role of complex numbers in quantum mechanics, describing it as a deep issue and a "magical" aspect of the theory.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the Schrödinger equation is often set up for specific situations, which can rule out certain wave functions that might otherwise be valid solutions.
  • Participants discuss the assumption of the product form PSI(r,t) = psi(r) X phi(t) and question why this form is preferred over others involving addition or subtraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the preferred form of the wave function or the reasons behind it. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the implications of different representations and the nature of solutions to the Schrödinger equation.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on specific contexts for the Schrödinger equation, which may affect the validity of various wave function forms. Additionally, there are unresolved questions regarding the role of complex numbers and the conditions under which certain solutions exist.

AL-Hassan Naser
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why is psi = cos (k r - w t) + i sin ( k r - w t) = e^ [ i ( k r - w t)]?
my question precisely is why not:
1. psi = sin (k r - w t) + i cos ( k r - w t) ?
2. psi = sin (k r - w t) + i sin ( k r - w t) ?
3. psi = cos (k r - w t) + i cos ( k r - w t) ?

why not any of these three? is there a reason it is only the first form?

this means that there always has to be reflection between the real and imaginary parts of the wave function and i don't know why??Also,

when solving the Schrödinger's equation we assume that
PSI (r,t) = psi (r) X phi (t)

Why this form in particular not another form including addition or subtraction wouldn't this be possible and why?

thanks
 
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You should clarify what you are talking about. Are you talking about harmonic oscillators(seeminlgy not but just for example), steppotencials(aswell not I know) or any other wavefunction?
 
I am talking about the wave function form used in Schrödinger's equation
 
Also I am sorry but my background in Chemical Engineering so I didn't study quantum at all before so please give me any simple detail that can help me

thanks
 
K is the wavenumber and one has simply reformed the basic exponetntial with the wavenumber k. I don't know if that helps but it is a start.
 
AL-Hassan Naser said:
I am talking about the wave function form used in Schrödinger's equation

The precise form has to do with the solution of the free particle Schroedinger equation. Substitute into it to see which are possible solutions:
http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/Users/smithb/website/coursenotes/qi/QILectureNotes3.pdf

There are also key existence theorems in Partial differential equations that if you find solutions in one form, other forms don't exist. Best to consult a book on PDE's if that interests you.

You next question probably is why the Schroedinger equation and complex numbers. That's a deep issue. The use of imaginary numbers is an almost magical part of QM.

Check out the following:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.0653

Also get a hold of a copy of Ballentine - Quantum Mechanics - A Modern Development:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9810241054/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Give the first three chapters a read.

But the deepest reason of all is the requirement of continuous transformations between so called pure states:
http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec9.html
http://arxiv.org/pdf/quantph/0101012.pdf

Thanks
Bill
 
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why is psi = cos (k r - w t) + i sin ( k r - w t) = e^ [ i ( k r - w t)]?
my question precisely is why not:
1. psi = sin (k r - w t) + i cos ( k r - w t) ?
2. psi = sin (k r - w t) + i sin ( k r - w t) ?
3. psi = cos (k r - w t) + i cos ( k r - w t) ?
... looks like you are asking, if the first one is a solution (to the time dependent Schrödinger equation) then why are the others not solutions? Is this correct?

I'd answer with a question: why would you expect the others to be solutions?
Maybe they are. Did you substitute the others into the equation and see?

Note: the Scrodinger equation is usually set up for a particular situation - the specifics of the situation can rule out some wave-functions that may otherwise be valid solutions. The first line you wrote is not the only possible solution. Context is everything.

when solving the Schrödinger's equation we assume that
PSI (r,t) = psi (r) X phi (t)

Why this form in particular not another form including addition or subtraction wouldn't this be possible and why?
... it is not assumed, it is a property of the solution you first wrote down: $$\Psi(\vec r, t) = e^{i(\vec k\cdot \vec r - \omega t)} = e^{i\vec k\cdot \vec r} e^{- i\omega t} = \psi(\vec r)\chi(t)$$ It's a bit like asking why the equation for a line is assumed to be: ax+by=c ... why not some other form including multiplications and divisions?
 

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