Why is the wedge product of vectors used in exterior algebra?

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The discussion revolves around the use of the wedge product in exterior algebra, specifically addressing why it is applied to vectors despite being defined for alternating tensors. Participants explore the relationship between vectors and tensors, and the implications of this relationship in the context of the wedge product.

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  • One participant questions the rationale behind computing the wedge product of vectors, noting that it is defined for alternating tensors.
  • Another participant suggests that vectors can be viewed as first-order alternating tensors, implying that it is reasonable to apply the wedge product to them.
  • A participant emphasizes the isomorphism between vectors and first-order tensors, arguing that this justifies calling them vectors.
  • Concerns are raised about the association of vectors in \(\mathbb{R}^n\) with linear transformations, questioning how this relationship is naturally established.
  • Further clarification is provided on the nature of first-order tensors and their mapping properties, illustrating how they can act as transformations between tensor spaces.
  • A participant proposes that the wedge product can be defined using the established definitions for 1-tensors, suggesting a continuity in the application of the wedge product to vectors.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between vectors and tensors, with some supporting the idea that vectors can be treated as first-order tensors while others question this association. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of this relationship for the wedge product.

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Some participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the definitions and properties of tensors and their relationship to vectors, indicating potential limitations in understanding how these concepts interact.

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I've learned that the wedge product is a product operation on two alternating tensors that yields another alternating tensor, but sometimes while surfing the net I see people using the wedge product for two vectors. For example, on the wiki page titled "Exterior algebra" it says that "using the standard basis \{ e_1, e_2, e_3 \}, the wedge product of a pair of vectors u and v is ..." (the result is an alternating tensor, which seems correct)

I didn't write out the formula because it's irrelevant. My question is, why are they computing the wedge product of two vectors if the wedge product is defined on the set of alternating tensors?
 
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Hi JG89! :wink:
JG89 said:
… why are they computing the wedge product of two vectors if the wedge product is defined on the set of alternating tensors?

Same as "why do we call vectors vectors when they're really first-order tensors" and "why do we call angular momentum a vector when it's really a pseuodvector".

Vectors are isomorphic to first-order alternating tensors …

so if it looks like a vector, quacks like a vector, and is isomorphic to a vector,

then let''s call it a vector! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
so if it looks like a vector, quacks like a vector, and is isomorphic to a vector,

then let''s call it a vector! :smile:
Brilliant line! :smile: :approve:
 
A first-order tensor over a vector space V would be a linear transformation from V to the set of real numbers. Suppose V = \mathbb{R}^n. I don't see how a vector in \mathbb{R}^n would be associated in any natural way with a linear transformation from \mathbb{R}^n to \mathbb{R}
 
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JG89 said:
A first-order tensor over a vector space V would be a linear transformation from V to the set of real numbers. Suppose V = \mathbb{R}^n. I don't see how a vector in \mathbb{R}^n would be associated with a linear transformation from \mathbb{R}^n to \mathbb{R}
In actuality, a first order tensor can act as a map from the 0-order tensor space to a vector space OR as a map from a vector space to the 0-order tensor space. For example, let \boldsymbol{a}\in\mathbb{R}^n (i.e. a first order tensor). Then if b\in\mathbb{R} (i.e. 0-order tensor), then

\begin{aligned}\boldsymbol{a} & :\mathbb{R}\mapsto\mathbb{R}^n\\&:b\mapsto b\boldsymbol{a}\;.\end{aligned}

Equally, let \boldsymbol{a}\in\mathbb{R}^n (i.e. a first order tensor). Then if \mathbb{b}\in\mathbb{R}^n (i.e. 0-order tensor), then

\begin{aligned}\boldsymbol{a} & :\mathbb{R}^n\mapsto\mathbb{R}\\&:b\mapsto \boldsymbol{a}\cdot\boldsymbol{b}\;.\end{aligned}
 
So suppose u and v are two vectors in \mathbb{R}^n, then we can think of both u and v as the 1-tensors defined by u(x) = xu and v(x) = xv where x is a real number. So when we talk about the wedge product of the vectors u and v, then I can use my good old definition given in my book for the wedge product of the 1-tensors u and v, correct?
 

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