Why is there no real solution: Ln4-Lnx=Ln4/(Lnx)

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In summary, the conversation is about finding all real roots by manipulating logarithmic equations. The steps involved include simplifying the equation, setting a variable, and solving a quadratic equation to determine the possible roots. It is important to remember that the logarithm function is only defined for positive numbers and the result can be positive, negative, or zero.
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and how do you DO THIS?
The question is to find all real roots

steps:
ln(4/x)=ln(4/x)

and then what? Is that right so far?
 
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Jurrasic said:
and how do you DO THIS?
The question is to find all real roots

steps:
ln(4/x)=ln(4/x)

and then what? Is that right so far?

No, this isn't right at all. The left side is fine, but
[tex]\frac{\log a}{\log b} \ne \log{\left( \frac{a}{b} \right)}[/tex]
... which is what you did on the right side.
 
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I don't believe that Jurassic meant to say that that was the entire equation- he was just simplifying the left side: ln(x)- ln(4)= ln(x/4)= ln(4)/ln(x) is the entire equation.

But, in fact, he should left it the way it was: ln(x)- ln(4)= ln(4)/ln(x). Now let y= ln(x) and the equation is y- ln(4)= ln(4)/y. Multiply through by y to get the quadratic equation [itex]y^2- ln(4)y- ln(4)= 0[/itex]. Solve that for y= ln(x), using the quadratic formula or by completing the square. Does that quadratic have positive real roots? Remember that the logarithm of any real number must be positive.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Remember that the logarithm of any real number must be positive.
I know what HallsOfIvy means, but that's not what he said. (I'm also guilty of misspeaking on occasion.)
The logarithm function is defined only for positive numbers; the result can be positive, negative, or zero. Of course I'm speaking of the usual log function that maps a subset of the reals to the reals.
 

1. Why is it impossible to find a real solution for Ln4-Lnx=Ln4/(Lnx)?

This equation has no real solution because the left side (Ln4-Lnx) is always an irrational number (specifically, the natural log of 4) while the right side (Ln4/(Lnx)) can only be a rational number if Lnx equals 2. However, there is no real number that can be raised to the power of 2 and equal 4, making the equation impossible to solve.

2. Can this equation be solved by manipulating the properties of logarithms?

No, manipulating the properties of logarithms will not lead to a real solution for this equation. The properties of logarithms can only be used to simplify the equation, but they cannot change the fact that there is no real number that can satisfy this equation.

3. Is there a way to approximate a solution for this equation?

Yes, although there is no exact solution for this equation, it is possible to use numerical methods to approximate a solution. For example, you can use a graphing calculator or software to find the intersection point of the two sides of the equation and get an approximate solution.

4. What makes this equation different from other logarithmic equations with real solutions?

The main difference is that in this equation, both sides have a logarithmic function with a variable (Lnx). This creates a unique situation where the left side is always an irrational number while the right side can only be rational if Lnx equals a specific value, which is not possible.

5. Can this equation have imaginary or complex solutions?

No, this equation cannot have imaginary or complex solutions. The natural logarithm function is only defined for positive real numbers, so the equation can only have real solutions. Since there is no real solution, there are also no imaginary or complex solutions.

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