Why is there no real solution: Ln4-Lnx=Ln4/(Lnx)

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The discussion revolves around finding all real roots of the equation involving logarithms: Ln(4) - Ln(x) = Ln(4) / Ln(x). Participants are exploring the implications of logarithmic properties and the conditions under which solutions may exist.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to simplify the equation and question the validity of certain logarithmic manipulations. There is a discussion about transforming the equation into a quadratic form and the implications of the logarithm's domain.

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Some participants have provided guidance on rewriting the equation and exploring its implications, while others are questioning the assumptions made about logarithmic properties. Multiple interpretations of the equation are being considered, and the discussion is ongoing without a clear consensus.

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There is an emphasis on the requirement that logarithmic functions are only defined for positive arguments, which is a critical aspect of the problem being discussed.

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and how do you DO THIS?
The question is to find all real roots

steps:
ln(4/x)=ln(4/x)

and then what? Is that right so far?
 
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Jurrasic said:
and how do you DO THIS?
The question is to find all real roots

steps:
ln(4/x)=ln(4/x)

and then what? Is that right so far?

No, this isn't right at all. The left side is fine, but
\frac{\log a}{\log b} \ne \log{\left( \frac{a}{b} \right)}
... which is what you did on the right side.
 
I don't believe that Jurassic meant to say that that was the entire equation- he was just simplifying the left side: ln(x)- ln(4)= ln(x/4)= ln(4)/ln(x) is the entire equation.

But, in fact, he should left it the way it was: ln(x)- ln(4)= ln(4)/ln(x). Now let y= ln(x) and the equation is y- ln(4)= ln(4)/y. Multiply through by y to get the quadratic equation y^2- ln(4)y- ln(4)= 0. Solve that for y= ln(x), using the quadratic formula or by completing the square. Does that quadratic have positive real roots? Remember that the logarithm of any real number must be positive.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Remember that the logarithm of any real number must be positive.
I know what HallsOfIvy means, but that's not what he said. (I'm also guilty of misspeaking on occasion.)
The logarithm function is defined only for positive numbers; the result can be positive, negative, or zero. Of course I'm speaking of the usual log function that maps a subset of the reals to the reals.
 

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