Why is this function injective?

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The problem involves a function from R to R defined by the equation x + f(x) = f(f(x)). The original poster seeks to understand why the condition f(x) = f(y) leads to the conclusion that x = y, particularly in the context of finding solutions to f(f(x)) = 0.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the function's properties, particularly regarding injectivity and the relationship between f(x) and f(f(x)). Questions arise about the validity of certain assumptions and the logical connections between the equations.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the original poster's question, offering different perspectives on the implications of the function's definitions. Some have provided reasoning related to substituting values into the original equation, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the relationships between f(x) and f(f(x)). There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is progressing with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem may involve constraints related to the definitions of the function and the nature of injectivity. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of the function's behavior rather than arriving at a definitive solution.

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The function from R to R satisfies x + f(x) = f(f(x)) Find all Solutions of the equation f(f(x)) = 0.

Part of the problem solution says that if f(x) = f(y), then "obviously" x = y. I understand the rest of the solution, but why does f(x) = f(y) imply that x = y?
 
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Have you tried comparing f(f(x)) and f(f(y))?
 
Hypersphere said:
Have you tried comparing f(f(x)) and f(f(y))?

sorry I am new to this stuff, but do you mean f(f(x)) = 0 implies f(f(y)) = 0 which implies f(f(x)) = f(f(y)) ? If yes then how does this prove f(x) = f(y)?
 
No, he meant nothing of the sort. And f(f(x))= 0 does NOT imply f(f(y))= 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, he meant nothing of the sort. And f(f(x))= 0 does NOT imply f(f(y))= 0.

If f(f(x)) = 0, independently of the argument f(x), then doesn't substituting f(y) for f(x) give f(f(y)) = 0?
 
Wiz14 said:
but why does f(x) = f(y) imply that x = y?

If f(x) = f(y), then f(f(x)) = f(f(y)). Use this to prove that x=y. This has nothing to do with anything equaling zero
 
Office_Shredder said:
If f(x) = f(y), then f(f(x)) = f(f(y)). Use this to prove that x=y. This has nothing to do with anything equaling zero

If f(y) = f(x) then substituting f(y) into the original equation gives f(f(y) = f(x) + y = f(x) + x, then subtracting the f(x) from the last equation gives x = y, is this correct? Thanks for the help.
 
Wiz14 said:
If f(y) = f(x) then substituting f(y) into the original equation gives f(f(y) = f(x) + y = f(x) + x, then subtracting the f(x) from the last equation gives x = y, is this correct? Thanks for the help.

That is right.
 

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