Why Is Vector Notation Essential in Cross Product Calculations?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity and implications of using vector notation in cross product calculations, particularly focusing on the representation of vector components in Cartesian coordinates (x, y, z) versus alternative notations. Participants explore the conventions of vector notation and its relevance in mathematical and physical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that using coordinates in terms of x, y, z is standard for expressing vectors, while others question the necessity of this convention.
  • One participant suggests that the choice of notation is arbitrary and could be replaced with other labels (e.g., r1, r2, r3) without affecting the mathematical validity of vector operations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the notation used for vector components does not change the underlying mathematical principles of the cross product, asserting that the definition remains consistent regardless of the labels chosen.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of vector components, with some asserting that the components of vector A are indeed expressed in terms of x, y, and z, while others challenge this understanding.
  • Participants express confusion over the implications of different notations and whether they affect the operation of vector operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of using specific coordinate notation for vectors in cross product calculations. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of notation and its relevance to the mathematical operations involved.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of vector notation and its impact on understanding vector operations, indicating that the discussion may hinge on personal interpretations of notation rather than established conventions.

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Why do we use the coordinates of r in terms of x,y,z?Why don't we express coordinates of A in x,y,z?
 

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A is expressed in terms of x y and z.
 
It's a matter of notation: we're just giving names to the three components of both vectors.
You can replace them by ##r_1, r_2, r_3##, if that makes you feel any better. In general, if v is a vector, it is customary to denote its components by v1, v2, v3. However, if r is the position vector, then (x, y, z) is also quite common.

Also note that though the fact that one is named r hints that it comes from a physical application in which a position vector is involved, the mathematical identity actually holds for any two vectors u, v.
 
No its not..here at least
 
CompuChip said:
It's a matter of notation: we're just giving names to the three components of both vectors.
You can replace them by ##r_1, r_2, r_3##, if that makes you feel any better. In general, if v is a vector, it is customary to denote its components by v1, v2, v3. However, if r is the position vector, then (x, y, z) is also quite common.

Also note that though the fact that one is named r hints that it comes from a physical application in which a position vector is involved, the mathematical identity actually holds for any two vectors u, v.

If we use r1,r2,r3 then how would the vector operator operator operate on it?Like it didnt in A when we used A1,A2,A3.
 
What are you talking about?
 
moatasim23 said:
No its not..here at least
I'm sorry - the example in your attachment very clearly states that

A=A1i+A2j+A3k

That means that
- the x component of A is A1,
- the y component of A is A2,
- the z component of A is A3.

Therefore: A is resolved in terms of x, y, and z.

What did you think it meant?
 
I don't understand your question, I think.

If ##\mathbf v = v_1 \mathbf i + v_2 \mathbf j + v_3 \mathbf k## and ##\mathbf u = u_1 \mathbf i + u_2 \mathbf j + u_3 \mathbf k## then
$$\mathbf u \times \mathbf v = (u_2 v_3 - u_3 v_2) \mathbf i + (u_3 v_1 - u_1 v_3) \mathbf j + (u_1 v_3 - u_3 v_1) \mathbf k$$

That's just how the cross product works. It doesn't matter how you call the components. You could replace ##u_1##, ##u_2## and ##u_3## by ##x##, ##y## and ##z## or clubs, spades, hearts or bunny, cow, eagle and the definition would still be the same.

Is it the notation of a vector like##\mathbf v = v_1 \mathbf i + v_2 \mathbf j + v_3 \mathbf k## instead of ##\mathbf v = (v_1, v_2, v_3)## that confuses you?
 

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