Why Is Weather Considered a Chaotic System?

In summary, the conversation discusses the idea of weather as a chaotic system and explores the reasons for this belief. It also addresses the definition of chaotic systems and the possibility of the weather system being chaotic.
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Yoni
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Many people consider the weather as a system which exhibits chaotic behaviors ('the butterfly effect' introduces weather as an example for chaos). But what are the reasons for that? Why are we so sure that weather is chaotic? Is it because people can't manage to predict it a long time in advance, or is there a deeper explanation for this?

As I understand a chaotic systems is a systems which exhibits dynamics that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. Which means that the ratio between initial uncertainty and the uncertainty after a period of time is very small (which also gives a possible measurable quantity for chaos, or rather the inverse of chaos). Does this definition seem valid?
 
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Yoni said:
Many people consider the weather as a system which exhibits chaotic behaviors ('the butterfly effect' introduces weather as an example for chaos). But what are the reasons for that? Why are we so sure that weather is chaotic? Is it because people can't manage to predict it a long time in advance, or is there a deeper explanation for this?

One of the "typical chaotic systems", the Lorenz attractor was in fact a hugely simplified model of atmospheric dynamics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_attractor

That doesn't prove of course that the true dynamics of the atmosphere are so, but chances are big that it is.

As I understand a chaotic systems is a systems which exhibits dynamics that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. Which means that the ratio between initial uncertainty and the uncertainty after a period of time is very small (which also gives a possible measurable quantity for chaos, or rather the inverse of chaos). Does this definition seem valid?

Yes. This measure is precisely quantified by something that is called the Liapunov exponent(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyapunov_exponent
 
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The 'weather' (meaning the flow of various components to the air, heat flow, interactions with the oceans, land, and near-space, various phase transitions, etc. etc.) is certainly nonlinear.

Is the weather chaotic? I don't know- 'chaos' is a specifically defined term. Is the weather system even stable? Again, that's not clear either, especially given the current doomsday scenarios of 'runaway weather'.
 

1. What is chaos theory and how does it relate to weather?

Chaos theory is a mathematical concept that explains the behavior of complex and unpredictable systems, such as weather. It suggests that small changes in initial conditions can lead to drastically different outcomes, making weather a chaotic system.

2. Is weather truly unpredictable or are there patterns and trends that can be predicted?

Weather is considered to be unpredictable in the long term due to its chaotic nature. However, there are patterns and trends that can be observed and used to make short-term predictions, such as daily or weekly weather forecasts.

3. How do scientists study and model chaotic systems like weather?

Scientists use mathematical models and computer simulations to study and predict the behavior of chaotic systems like weather. These models take into account various factors such as temperature, pressure, and wind patterns to make predictions about future weather conditions.

4. Can small changes in initial conditions really affect long-term weather patterns?

Yes, small changes in initial conditions, such as the amount of moisture in the air or the direction of wind, can have a significant impact on long-term weather patterns. This is known as the butterfly effect, where a small change in one part of a chaotic system can lead to large changes in another part.

5. How does climate change affect the chaotic nature of weather?

Climate change can potentially affect the chaotic nature of weather by altering the initial conditions of the Earth's atmosphere. As the Earth's temperature and atmospheric conditions change, it can lead to more extreme and unpredictable weather patterns, making it even more challenging to make accurate weather predictions.

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