Why is zero included in our number system?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the inclusion of zero in the number system, exploring its implications and questioning its necessity. Participants touch on various contexts, including mathematical theory, conceptual reasoning, and even cultural references like sports.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the fundamental role of zero in mathematics, suggesting that its presence on the number line may imply a value that complicates our understanding of the universe.
  • Another participant humorously critiques the initial argument, expressing a personal fondness for zero and its utility in everyday contexts.
  • Some participants propose that eliminating zero could prevent scoreless draws in football, suggesting a cultural perspective on the number's significance.
  • Concerns are raised about practical implications of removing zero, such as the inability to express having zero dollars or other quantities.
  • A later reply dismisses the discussion as nonsensical, indicating a lack of engagement with the arguments presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no consensus reached on the necessity or role of zero in the number system. Some find value in zero, while others challenge its relevance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes humorous and exaggerated claims, which may obscure serious engagement with the topic. There are also instances of participants responding to each other's arguments in a dismissive manner.

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It seems that as we learn and develop new theories, one thing remains the same...our math. Sure, there are different and elegant formulas, but maybe we are fundamentally wrong. The crazy thing is how crazy that sounds. Why do we give zero a place on the "number line" between -1 and 1? Does that not give zero a value? Yet there is infinity between each number. Quantum doesn't match physics. There is probably a higher "math" to describe galactic communication. Math defines observation but the majority of the universe is dark matter and dark energy? Looks like we are not observing the right stuff and therefore our definition of the universe is obviously wrong...using our math. My answer? Get rid of zero.
 
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DonkeyMaHonkey said:
My answer? Get rid of zero.

What question does that answer exactly?

I, for one am quite fond of zero, I need it to describe the number of times I've been to the moon.
 
DonkeyMaHonkey said:
It seems that as we learn and develop new theories, one thing remains the same...our math. Sure, there are different and elegant formulas, but maybe we are fundamentally wrong. The crazy thing is how crazy that sounds. Why do we give zero a place on the "number line" between -1 and 1? Does that not give zero a value? Yet there is infinity between each number. Quantum doesn't match physics. There is probably a higher "math" to describe galactic communication. Math defines observation but the majority of the universe is dark matter and dark energy? Looks like we are not observing the right stuff and therefore our definition of the universe is obviously wrong...using our math. My answer? Get rid of zero.

You're incoherently tying unrelated things together, in short, you make zero sense.

Loosen the foil hat, it's obviously impeding much needed blood flow.
 
There are too many 0-0 draws in football, in my opinion. Getting rid of 0 would stop this. All football matches would start at 1-1 and thereby goal-less draws would be prevented.
 
PeroK said:
There are too many 0-0 draws in football, in my opinion. Getting rid of 0 would stop this. All football matches would start at 1-1 and thereby goal-less draws would be prevented.
Also, if we got rid of zero, then no one could have 0 dollars. If you had a dollar, and you spent it, another dollar would have to magically appear in your pocket to prevent you from having 0 dollars. Therefore, I feel compelled to support this idea.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
Also, if we got rid of zero, then no one could have 0 dollars. If you had a dollar, and you spent it, another dollar would have to magically appear in your pocket to prevent you from having 0 dollars. Therefore, I feel compelled to support this idea.

There are some downsides. I would have some difficulty describing the number of donkeys I've copulated with, though this may not be a problem for everybody.
 
This is nonsense. Thread closed.
 

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