Why isn't acetic acid a strong electrolyte/acid

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The discussion centers around the nature of acetic acid (HC2H3O2) and why it is classified as a weak electrolyte and weak acid. Participants explore the ionic and covalent characteristics of its bonds, the role of resonance stabilization, and the implications of thermodynamic stability in the context of acid dissociation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the presence of the acetate ion suggests an ionic bond with H+, questioning why acetic acid does not completely dissociate in water.
  • Others argue that being polyatomic does not inherently imply ionic bonding, emphasizing the covalent nature of the O-H bond in acetic acid.
  • It is noted that the bond's covalent versus ionic character is influenced by electronegativity differences, leading to a polar covalent bond rather than an ionic bond.
  • A participant mentions that the presence of a carbonyl group near the O-H bond complicates the bond's nature, contributing to resonance stabilization after dissociation.
  • Some participants highlight that the degree of ionic character is not the only factor affecting solubility, referencing the dissociation constants of ethanol and sulfuric acid as examples.
  • It is stated that acetic acid is a weak acid because the acetate ion and free proton are not as thermodynamically stable as acetic acid itself, with a low acid dissociation constant (K_a) indicating greater equilibrium concentration of the acid compared to its dissociation products.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of using the Boltzmann distribution to compute the energy difference between acetic acid and its dissociation products, suggesting a thermodynamic perspective on the weak acid behavior.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of acetic acid's bonding and its classification as a weak acid. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing interpretations of the factors influencing dissociation and stability.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of ionic and covalent bonds, the complexity of resonance stabilization, and the implications of thermodynamic stability on acid dissociation constants.

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Since HC2H3O2 is made up of acetate which is a polyatomic ion, shouldn't it ionically bond with H+? If that's the case, why doesn't it completely dissociate in water and become a strong electrolyte?
 
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gsingh2011 said:
Since HC2H3O2 is made up of acetate which is a polyatomic ion, shouldn't it ionically bond with H+?

Just because something is polyatomic doesn't mean it is ionic.

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The degree of covalent vs. ionic nature of a bond is determined by the difference in electronegativity of the bonding atoms. In the case of O and H, you get a polar covalent bond, not an ionic one.
 
espen180 said:
The degree of covalent vs. ionic nature of a bond is determined by the difference in electronegativity of the bonding atoms. In the case of O and H, you get a polar covalent bond, not an ionic one.

This is actually a little bit more complicated in the case of carboxylic acids - this is not just a common O-H bond like in alcohol, as there is a carbonyl group close by, which stabilizes anion after dissociation. Still, you are right that it is not an ionic bond.

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Yes, that's true. The nearby carbonyl group does contribute to the ionic nature of the O-H bond in a carboxyl group. Resonance stabilization is the reason they dissociate to the degree they do. The point is that the degree of ionic character of the bond is not the sole factor determining solubility. For example, compare the dissociation constants of ethanol and sulfuric acid.
 
Acetic acid is a weak acid because acetate and a free proton are not as thermodynamically stable as acetic acid.

Consider the acid dissociation constant (K_a): an acid with a low K_a, has an equilibrium concentration of the acid that is much greater than the product of the equilibrium concentration of the conjugate base and the equilibrium concentration of protons.

Strong acids completely dissociate; therefore, they have very large K_a's.
 
You might say it is thermodynamic instability. I would say it is due to the difference in energy. Maybe it's the same thing?

Is it possible to use the Botzmann distribution to compute the molar energy difference, e.g.
\Delta E= E_{Ac^-}-E_{AcH}=-RT\ln\frac{[Ac^-]}{[AcH]}
in a solution of acetic acid?
 

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