Why Isn't the Right Side Negative in a Vertical Spring-Mass System Equation?

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The discussion revolves around a vertical spring-mass system, specifically focusing on the forces acting on the mass and the resulting motion when the mass is displaced from its equilibrium position. Participants are examining the signs in the equations of motion and the implications of directionality in the context of Newton's laws.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the sign of the right side of the equation of motion, particularly in relation to the direction of motion when the block is released. There are discussions about the equilibrium position and the forces acting on the mass, with some participants exploring the implications of the net force and acceleration being in the same direction.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationships between forces and motion. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the signs in the equations, but no explicit consensus has been reached yet.

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Some participants have noted the choice of direction for positive forces and the implications of this choice on the equations being used. There is also a mention of the conditions under which the mass is below its equilibrium position, which may influence the interpretation of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement
Hi everyone,

The problem has two parts. The first is to determine the equilibrium position of a mass attached to a spring. The second is to determine the equation of motion of the system, assuming that the block is pulled 1 cm down from its equilibrium position.
Relevant Equations
I choose the downward direction as positive. For the first part and using the FBD:

mg - k y_{0} = 0

Then the equilibrium position is y_{0} = mg/k.

For the second part, we have that:

mg -k y = m d^2 y/dt^2
I have a doubt with the last part. Why isn't the right side negative? Because when the block is released, it moves upwards.

thanks

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Ark236 said:
Homework Statement: Hi everyone,

The problem has two parts. The first is to determine the equilibrium position of a mass attached to a spring. The second is to determine the equation of motion of the system, assuming that the block is pulled 1 cm down from its equilibrium position.
Relevant Equations: I choose the downward direction as positive. For the first part and using the FBD:

mg - k y_{0} = 0

Then the equilibrium position is y_{0} = mg/k.

For the second part, we have that:

mg -k y = m d^2 y/dt^2

I have a doubt with the last part. Why isn't the right side negative? Because when the block is released, it moves upwards.

thanks

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When ##y>y_0, mg-ky<0##, and then the right side, ##m \frac {d^2y} {dt^2}## is negative.
 
Both sides are negative at that point. The net force points upwards and the body accelerates upwards. The equation shows that thenet force and the acceleration have the same sign. They are either both positive or both negative. If you put a minus sign in the equation itself, it would mean that the acceleration is in direction opposite to the net force. This would contradict Newton's second law, wouldn't?
 
Ark236 said:
mg -k y = m d^2 y/dt^2

I have a doubt with the last part. Why isn't the right side negative? Because when the block is released, it moves upwards.
When the mass is below it's equilibrium position, which is bigger: mg or ky?
 

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