Why Not Consider Piston Oscillations as Simple Harmonic Motion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether the reciprocating action of a piston in an engine can be considered simple harmonic motion (SHM). Participants explore the definitions and characteristics of SHM in relation to the motion of pistons, particularly focusing on the impact of connecting rod length and crank radius on the motion's sinusoidal nature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the reciprocating action of a piston should not be considered SHM, noting that harmonic oscillations can occur within unequal limits around a mean position.
  • Another participant argues that real pistons do not follow a sine path due to the mechanics of the connecting rod, suggesting that only an ideal case with an infinitely long connecting rod could approximate SHM.
  • A different viewpoint states that while SHM can be represented by sine or cosine waves, the connecting rod must have a limit, raising questions about how an infinitely long rod achieves SHM.
  • One participant shares an Excel spreadsheet demonstrating how increasing the connecting rod length can make the displacement curve of the piston approach that of SHM.
  • Another participant emphasizes that SHM must follow sinusoidal motion and discusses the dwell time of real rods, which affects the motion's sinusoidal characteristics based on the rod length to crank throw ratio (L/R).
  • A participant notes that typical engines today have L/R ratios between 1.5 and 3, suggesting that these ratios prevent the assumption of SHM for accurate analysis.
  • One participant inquires about the implications of L/R ratios on engine efficiency, while another clarifies that the ratio does not inherently affect efficiency and that its impact varies by engine design.
  • Lastly, a participant points out that for the motion to be classified as SHM, the rotational speed must remain constant throughout the cycle, citing examples from single-cylinder engines to illustrate the deviations from SHM.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether piston motion can be classified as SHM, with some arguing for the possibility under specific conditions and others maintaining that real-world mechanics prevent this classification. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of SHM and the specific mechanical configurations of pistons and connecting rods. The discussion highlights the complexity of real engine dynamics and the variability in L/R ratios.

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i have asked this question before ,yet i ask again,
why should we not consider the reciprocating action of the piston as simple
harmonic motion?
harmonic oscillations are when a particle may oscillate within unequal limits
about the mean position

a special case in which limits of oscillation on either side of neutral position are equal
is simple harmonic motion,in case of the piston,the limits are the tdc and bdc.
 
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Simple harmonic motion is a sine wave.

Real pistons with a conrod do not follow a sine path, so can't be considered simple harmonic.

An ideal case of an infinitely long conrod will bring the movement to a sine wave.
 
simple harmonic motion could be sine or cosine wave,but the conrod needs
to have a limit,so in case of an infinitely long conrod,how does it become Simple
harmonic motion?
 
Just look at the definition of SHM vs. that of a piston with a connecting rod. I attached a basic Excel spreadsheet that allows you to play with the values of L (connecting rod length) and R (crank radius). As you make L larger you can see the displacement curve for the piston approach that of the SHM curve.
 

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I've just checked up and this was all answered last time.

SHM has to follow sinusodal motion.

Real rods have a 'dwell' time that is affcted by the Rod /length to Crank Throw Ratio. (L/R) This is where the crank and conrod are still rotating, but is not piston up and down.

The lower the ratio the longer the dwell time at bdc and tdc (the teo have different values and the majority of dwell is at bdc). As the ratio increased the dwell time reduces, making the shape of the dixplacement against crank angle curve become closer to sinusodal.

When you start getting L/R ratios of 6+ you can assume that the conrod is following sinusodal motion.

In real engines this means you have to go back to pre WW2 engines. After the war L/R ratios began to reduce. Typical engines now run an L/R ratio between 1.5 and 3.

With that sort of ratio, if you want accurate answers, you can't assume shm.
 
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i did understand from the sheet .so if i consider
an infinitely long conrod,shm can be achieved.so
currently we don't have engines with L/R ratios of 5 or more?does this
ratio affect the efficiency?
 
The rod length to throw ratio doesn't effect efficiency.

I could elaborste and say why it could, but it would just be confusing as its not true for every engine ans requires tuning of tiher components. So its not true to say that one ratio is more or less efficient that another.
 
For it to be SHM the rotational speed would have to be constant throughout the cycle, in an extreme case consider a large single cylinder two stroke just after fireing the piston will be moving downwards quickly as the compression part of the cycle starts the piston will slow down, not SHM. Although the effect will be reduced in multi piston engines it should still be measurable.
 

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