Why Not P(A)*(1-P(A)) for Probability?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of probabilities, specifically questioning why the probability of an event is not computed as the product of the probability of the event and the probability of it not being any other event. The scope includes conceptual understanding of probability theory.

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  • One participant questions the validity of calculating the probability of an event as the product of the probability of the event and the probability of it not being any other event.
  • Another participant states that the event of drawing an ace from a deck is identical to the event of not drawing anything other than an ace, suggesting that multiplying the probabilities is redundant.
  • A participant introduces the formal probability formula, noting that the conditional probability of the complement given the event is 1, allowing for alternative calculations.
  • There is a clarification regarding the probability of "nothing else," with one participant acknowledging a misphrasing and correcting it to "anything else."
  • A later post emphasizes that an event and its complement are not independent, which is relevant to the discussion of probability calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the calculation of probabilities, with some agreeing on certain aspects of the formal definitions while others contest the initial reasoning behind the proposed calculation method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculating the probability in question.

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Participants highlight limitations in phrasing and understanding, particularly around the definitions of events and their complements, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Probability of picking ace from deck, 4/52, OK. But it's also "probability that the card is an ace and nothing else": i.e. (4/52)*(48/52). Why not?
The summary says it all: why is the probability of an event not calculated by the probability that it is the event AND that it is not any other? Sounds silly, and I am certain the explanation is simple, but I don't see it.
 
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The event ##A## that the card is an ace, A = ##\{A_D, A_H, A_S, A_C \}##, is identical to the event B that the card is not anything other than an ace.$$P(A \cap B) = P(A) = P(B) = \frac{4}{52}$$The 'and' is redundant, you'd just be multiplying by 1.
 
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Ah. Right. Thanks, etotheipi.
 
Formally ##P(A\cap B) = P(A) \ P(B|A)##. In this case we have ##P(B|A)=1## so you can indeed calculate it both ways, you just have to use the right formula.

Also, the probability of nothing else is not 48/52. That is the probability of anything else. The probability of nothing else would be 1-48/52 = 4/52
 
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Thanks, Dale.
As far as "nothing else", that was poorly phrased; you are right, I meant "anything else."
 
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nomadreid said:
Summary:: Probability of picking ace from deck, 4/52, OK. But it's also "probability that the card is an ace and nothing else": i.e. (4/52)*(48/52). Why not?

The summary says it all: why is the probability of an event not calculated by the probability that it is the event AND that it is not any other? Sounds silly, and I am certain the explanation is simple, but I don't see it.

An event and its complement are not independent, and nor are an event and the complement of its complement (which is the original event itself).
 

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