Why phone to switch off in flight mode?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rationale behind requiring mobile phones to be switched off during takeoff and landing, even when they are set to flight mode. Participants explore the implications of electronic device usage in aviation, considering safety, regulatory practices, and the potential for interference with aircraft systems.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of switching off phones if they are already in flight mode, suggesting that flight mode disables cellular and Wi-Fi networks.
  • Others note that regulations vary by region, with the US and EU allowing devices to remain in flight mode without needing to be turned off, while other regions still enforce a complete shutdown of all electronics.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for any electronic interference, however weak, to disrupt critical aircraft signals, especially given the high stakes involved in aviation safety.
  • One participant suggests that the requirement to turn off devices may stem from the inability to monitor all devices effectively, as there could be unknown devices that could interfere with aircraft systems.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that the blanket rule of turning off all electronic devices is a practical measure for cabin crew to avoid disputes with passengers regarding device capabilities.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the actual risks posed by non-compliance with the rule, questioning whether the potential for harm justifies the strict enforcement of switching off devices.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of monitoring passengers' devices, with some suggesting that the aircraft may have protective systems in place, while others argue that it is a cost-risk-benefit analysis that prioritizes safety without causing undue disruption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity and effectiveness of the rules regarding electronic devices during takeoff and landing. Multiple competing views remain regarding the rationale behind these regulations and their implications for safety.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the evolving regulatory environment and the varying practices across different regions, as well as the challenges in monitoring compliance with electronic device usage rules in aviation.

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In flights during landoff or takeoff they say to keep the phone in flight mode and then switch off so as to not interfere with the aircraft signals.
But why should we switch off if keeping the phone in flight mode?
Flight mode disables cellular and wifi networks.
 
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Now in the US and EU they don't request you to turn it off, only to switch to flight mode. Maybe this hasn't changed yet in other parts of the world.
 
In some places the rule is just all electronics, period, because the regulatory environment in those places is still catching up to new interference and communications standards in wireless technology.

I think the concern is that any interference, no matter how weak, runs a chance of interfering with an important signal, when the cost of failure should an important signal be corrupted is a billion dollar airplane and the lives of its 200-some passengers, asking you to have your electronics off for 5 minutes doesn't seem like that much of a tall order. Post -9/11, at least in the US, the concern was also that electronic jammers could be disguised as innocuous, non-networking devices like GameBoys or MP3 players, though this worry turned out to be unfounded.
 
[QUOTE="jack476, post: 5313552, member: 484239"
I think the concern is that any interference, no matter how weak, runs a chance of interfering with an important signal,[/QUOTE]
I think it has much more to do with the uncontrolled element in monitoring a large group of people.

Who knows that every device is switched to satellite mode? And never mind cellphones - who knows what devices are out there at any given time? They can't be checking that cellphones are OK but quadcopter control panels are not OK.

The blanket 'turn off all electronic devices that are capable of broadcasting a signal' is the safest - and most expedient for cabin crew - option. They sure don't need every boarding operation to dissolve in an aisle-side argument with a passenger about the capabilities of a device they aren't familiar with.
 
Hepth said:
Now in the US and EU they don't request you to turn it off, only to switch to flight mode. Maybe this hasn't changed yet in other parts of the world.
jack476 said:
In some places the rule is just all electronics, period, because the regulatory environment in those places is still catching up to new interference and communications standards in wireless technology.

I think the concern is that any interference, no matter how weak, runs a chance of interfering with an important signal, when the cost of failure should an important signal be corrupted is a billion dollar airplane and the lives of its 200-some passengers, asking you to have your electronics off for 5 minutes doesn't seem like that much of a tall order. Post -9/11, at least in the US, the concern was also that electronic jammers could be disguised as innocuous, non-networking devices like GameBoys or MP3 players, though this worry turned out to be unfounded.
And what if a person doesn't switch off and also doesn't keep in flight mode. The attendants cannot get to know. Maybe there are few people in flight who do not follow this rule. Does this have a harm and if not then why are attendants are imposing this rule of switching off?
 
Raghav Gupta said:
The attendants cannot get to know

A wrong action does not become right merely by having a low probability of being found out.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
A wrong action does not become right merely by having a low probability of being found out.
But plane might be having protected system as attendant can't check every passenger's mobile phone?
 
Raghav Gupta said:
But plane might be having protected system
It's a cost-risk-benefit thing.

They can't check everyone. They can't install a system that checks.
They can take best precautions that don't unduly disrupt the flight.
 

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