Why ##S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle##

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the equation ##S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle## in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the definitions of eigenvalues and eigenvectors as presented in a textbook by McIntyre. Participants explore the implications of this equation and its relation to the Stern-Gerlach experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the equation ##S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle## holds by definition, as ##|+\rangle## is defined as the vector with that property.
  • Others reference the author's explanation of eigenvalue equations, noting that the observable is represented by an operator, the eigenvalue corresponds to possible measurement results, and the eigenvector is unchanged by the operator.
  • A participant suggests that the equation follows from the definitions provided in the text and relates it to the Stern-Gerlach experiment, which measures spin along the z-direction.
  • There is an expression of uncertainty from one participant about their understanding, prompting them to consider rereading the chapter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, but there is uncertainty expressed regarding the interpretation of the equation and its implications, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific passages from the textbook, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the clarity of definitions and the implications of the equation in practical scenarios.

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I've just started Quantum mechanics from McIntyre, and I've got a doubt.
Here is the relevant passage
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How does the author say using the preceding section that
##S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}
|+\rangle##?
 
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Kashmir said:
I've just started Quantum mechanics from McIntyre, and I've got a doubt.
Here is the relevant passage
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How does the author say using the preceding section that
##S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}
|+\rangle##?
That holds by definition. ##| + \rangle## is the vector with precisely that property.
 
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PeroK said:
That holds by definition. ##| + \rangle## is the vector with precisely that property.
Thank you for your response.

The author says "In the eigenvalue equation, the observable is represented by an
operator, the eigenvalue is one of the possible measurement results of the observable, and the eigenvector is the ket corresponding to the chosen eigenvalue of the operator. The eigenvector appears on
both sides of the equation because it is unchanged by the operator"

So this is the definition?
 
Kashmir said:
Thank you for your response.

The author says "In the eigenvalue equation, the observable is represented by an
operator, the eigenvalue is one of the possible measurement results of the observable, and the eigenvector is the ket corresponding to the chosen eigenvalue of the operator. The eigenvector appears on
both sides of the equation because it is unchanged by the operator"

So this is the definition?
That's the definition of eigenthings. The definition of ##|+\rangle## is that it is the vector that satisfies that equation.
 
PeroK said:
That's the definition of eigenthings. The definition of ##|+\rangle## is that it is the vector that satisfies that equation.
I reread the passage and think that
##S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}

|+\rangle## follows from the passage I've quoted above. I'll try to explain it.

Keeping in mind Stern Gerlach experiment measuring spin along z direction we know that we've two measurements ##\pm \frac{\hbar}{2}## corresponding respectively to
##|\pm\rangle##.

Then the authors quote
"In the eigenvalue equation, the observable is represented by an
operator, the eigenvalue is one of the possible measurement results of the observable, and the eigenvector is the ket corresponding to the chosen eigenvalue of the operator. The eigenvector appears on
both sides of the equation because it is unchanged by the operator" implies then
##S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}

|+\rangle##
 
I can't argue with that!
 
PeroK said:
I can't argue with that!
Am I wrong sir? Then I'll reread the chapter again.
 

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