Why should I use conservation of energy?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a system with two masses, a pulley, and the application of conservation of energy versus using free body diagrams to find acceleration and time of motion. The original poster expresses confusion over the differences in methods and seeks clarification on the use of conservation of energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve the problem using free body diagrams and equations of motion but encounters errors in their calculations. They question the effectiveness of their approach compared to conservation of energy.
  • Some participants suggest reviewing the calculations to identify where the original poster's reasoning may have gone awry, while others emphasize the equivalence of both methods in theory.
  • There is a suggestion to avoid plugging in numbers until the end of the calculations to minimize errors.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations and attempting to identify mistakes. There is a focus on clarifying the differences between the methods and ensuring that the original poster understands the implications of their calculations. No consensus has been reached on the preferred method, but guidance has been offered regarding calculation strategies.

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The original poster is working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific methods or approaches to problem-solving. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding both energy conservation and dynamics in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


Consider the system shown in the figure with m1 = 23.00 kg, m2 = 13.60 kg, R = 0.13 m, and the mass of the uniform pulley M = 5.00 kg. Object m2 is resting on the floor, and object m1 is 5.00 m above the floor when it is released from rest. The pulley axis is frictionless. The cord is light, does not stretch, and does not slip on the pulley.


Homework Equations


KEi + Ugi = KEf + KEf(rotational) + Ugf


The Attempt at a Solution


Initially I keep trying to solve the problem by using free body diagrams and finding the acceleration. But all my answers were wrong.
However, I saw someone posted this question on yahoo answers and the solution he got was by using conservation of energy.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090423164312AAs5DN8"

I do not see the difference in using the conservation of energy method and my method. Can someone enlighten me? This topic is killing me. haha
 
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You should get the same answer either way. Post your calculations so we can see where your attempt went wrong.
 
vela said:
You should get the same answer either way. Post your calculations so we can see where your attempt went wrong.

Ok, here are my workings:


Eqn 1:
23(9.8) - T1 = 23a
T1 = 225.4 - 23a

Eqn2:
T2 = 13.6a + 133

Eqn3:
0.13T1 - 0.13T2 = (0.5 * 5 * 0.132) * (a / 0.13)
T1 - T2 = 2.5a

Sub Eqn2 and Eqn1 into Eqn3:
92.4 = 158.5a
a = 0.583 m/s2

5 = 0.5 * 0.583 * t2
t = 4.14s


The correct answer is 2.06s (about half the time I calculated).
 
zewei1988 said:
Ok, here are my workings:


Eqn 1:
23(9.8) - T1 = 23a
T1 = 225.4 - 23a

Eqn2:
T2 = 13.6a + 133

Eqn3:
0.13T1 - 0.13T2 = (0.5 * 5 * 0.132) * (a / 0.13)
T1 - T2 = 2.5a
Good up to here, but something went wrong when you plugged the numbers in.
Sub Eqn2 and Eqn1 into Eqn3:
92.4 = 158.5a
The coefficient of a should be the sum of the two masses and half the pulley's mass, 13.60+23.00+0.5(5.00)=39.10 kg, not 158.5 kg.

One suggestion I have is to not plug any numbers in until the end. You probably could have avoided the error in this particular case.
a = 0.583 m/s2

5 = 0.5 * 0.583 * t2
t = 4.14s


The correct answer is 2.06s (about half the time I calculated).
 

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