Why the sequence is not convergent?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a specific sequence of functions defined on the closed unit interval and whether it is a Cauchy sequence that converges within a given metric space of bounded continuous real functions. Participants explore the convergence behavior of the sequence and the implications of continuity in relation to the defined space.

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  • Some participants assert that the sequence is a Cauchy sequence but express uncertainty about its convergence, proposing that it converges to a function that is not continuous.
  • One participant suggests that the sequence does not belong to the defined space because certain functions are not continuous when n is even.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the limit function, while proposed as a candidate for convergence, is not in the space of continuous functions, which raises questions about the validity of claiming convergence.
  • A later reply discusses the technical definition of the metric and the conditions under which convergence can be claimed, noting that convergence is only valid within the defined space.
  • One participant seeks clarification on how to demonstrate that the sequence is Cauchy, indicating difficulty in applying the metric to arbitrary functions in the sequence.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical argument showing that the difference between terms in the sequence can be made arbitrarily small, supporting the claim that the sequence is Cauchy.

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Participants generally agree that the sequence is Cauchy, but there is disagreement regarding its convergence and whether it converges to a function within the defined space. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of continuity and the definition of convergence in this context.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions about continuity and the definitions of the space in which the sequence is considered. The discussion highlights the dependence on the continuity of the limit function and the implications for convergence.

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In a book I am reading, they mention the following as an example of a Cauchy sequence which is not convergent:
Consider the set of all bounded continuous real functions defined on the closed unit interval, and let the metric of the set be
d(f,g)=[tex]\int_0^1 \! |f(x)-g(x)| \, dx[/tex].
Let [tex](f_n)[/tex] be a sequence in this space defined as:
[tex]f_n(x)=1[/tex] if [tex]0 \leq x \leq 1/2[/tex]
[tex]f_n(x)=(-2)^n(x-1/2)+1[/tex] if [tex]1/2 \leq x \leq 1/2+(1/2)^n[/tex]
[tex]f_n(x)=0[/tex] if [tex]1/2+(1/2)^n\leq x \leq 1[/tex]

I can see that this is a Cauchy sequence, but I can't see how this sequence does not converge. I would say that it converges to:
[tex]f_n(x)=1[/tex] if [tex]0 \leq x \leq 1/2[/tex]
[tex]f_n(x)=0[/tex] if [tex]1/2 < x \leq 1[/tex]

I would appreciate if anybody can help me to see why this sequence does not converge.
 
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symbol0 said:
I can see that this is a Cauchy sequence, but I can't see how this sequence does not converge. I would say that it converges to:
[tex]f_n(x)=1[/tex] if [tex]0 \leq x \leq 1/2[/tex]
[tex]f_n(x)=0[/tex] if [tex]1/2 < x \leq 1[/tex]
I'm going to assume you meant to say something like the following.
I would say that it converges to the function f defined by
[tex]f(x)=1[/tex] if [tex]0 \leq x \leq 1/2[/tex]
[tex]f(x)=0[/tex] if [tex]1/2 < x \leq 1[/tex][/quote]​

I would appreciate if anybody can help me to see why this sequence does not converge.
A good way to see these things is to try and prove that it does, and see where things fail. You need to:
(1) Show that f is well-defined
(2) Show that [itex]\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} d(f_n, f) = 0[/itex]
Try it out, and let us know how it goes!
 
Thanks for the reply Hurkyl,
First of all , I think this sequence is not really in the mentioned space because when n is even, the functions are not continuous.
But even if we take only the functions with odd n, I think the sequence converges to the function I wrote, but this function is not continuous, so it is not in the space.
Thus the sequence does not converge in the space.

Am I right?
 
symbol0 said:
I think the sequence converges to the function I wrote, but this function is not continuous, so it is not in the space.
That last part is the key thing here -- f is not in the space.

In fact, technically speaking, d was only defined for pairs of elements in the space, so it would be wrong to say that the sequence converges to f! You only get that convergence when looking at the larger space
 
Thanks Hurkyl
 
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I'm having a problem seeing how this sequence is cauchy. I used the metric on an arbitrary f_n(x) and f_m(x), but I ended up with constants and other terms that I couldn't make arbitrarily small by taking m and n large enough. Could someone give me a brief overview of how to prove it?
 
[itex]f_n[/itex] and [itex]f_m[/itex], with m> n, differ only on the interval from [itex]1/2+ 1/2^m[/itex] to [itex]1/2+ 1/2^n[/itex] a length of
[tex]\frac{2^m- 2^n}{2^{m+n}}[/tex]
which goes to 0 as m and n go to infinity.

The integrand doesn't have to go to 0, it only has to be bounded. As the length of the interval goes to 0, the integral will go to 0.
 

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