Why there is no horizintal acceleration?

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The discussion centers around the question of horizontal acceleration when a stone is thrown over a cliff, exploring the conditions under which horizontal acceleration may or may not occur. It involves concepts from classical mechanics, particularly Newton's laws of motion.

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  • One participant questions why there is no horizontal acceleration when a stone is thrown over a cliff.
  • Another participant suggests that whether there is horizontal acceleration depends on how the stone is thrown, indicating that a push could result in horizontal acceleration.
  • A different participant states that once the stone is released, it will not have horizontal acceleration due to the absence of forces acting on it, referencing Newton's laws of motion.
  • This participant also notes that air resistance introduces a drag force that can affect horizontal motion, leading to a small horizontal deceleration.
  • A later reply acknowledges the role of air drag in causing deceleration and corrects an earlier statement regarding the laws of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for horizontal acceleration, with some asserting that it ceases upon release while others highlight the influence of initial conditions and external forces like air drag. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and implications of these factors.

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There are assumptions regarding the idealized conditions of motion without external forces and the effects of air resistance, which are not fully explored. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the impact of these factors on horizontal acceleration.

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When a stone is thrown over a clift, there is vertically acceleration, I don't understand why there is no horizintal acceleration? :confused:
 
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Well, that depends on HOW do you throw the stone.If you merely leave it falling free it won't have any horizontal acceleration. But if you push it horizontally probably it will have horizontal acceleration.
 
Clausius2 said:
But if you push it horizontally probably it will have horizontal acceleration.
As soon as you let go of the stone, it will no longer have horizontal acceleration. This is due to Newton's 2nd law of motion, most videly known as F=ma. If there are no forces acting on the object, it will not accelerate. It's called inertia, and works independantly for each axis of any coordinate system.
EDIT: actually, inertia is Newton's first law, and the 2nd law (F=ma) is a generalization of the first.

Note however, that the above is an approximation: in real life, you usually have air, which causes a drag force propotional to the object's velocity. So in that case there is a horizontal acceleration (deceleration), but it is usually very small (because the horizontal velocity is usually small). You also have drag in the vertical direction, which is why you get a terminal velocity (= a velocity where the vertical drag balances out the object's weigth, so the object can't accelerate any further in the vertical direction).
 
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alpha_wolf said:
As soon as you let go of the stone, it will no longer have horizontal acceleration. This is due to Newton's 2nd law of motion, most videly known as F=ma..

Oops. Thanks alpha. Well, eeemmmmm... I meant the deceleration due to air drag effects :rolleyes: :-p
 

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