Why to change from momentum space integrals to spherical coordinate ones?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the transition from momentum space integrals to spherical coordinates in the context of loop contributions to the Higgs. Participants explore the reasons, methods, and implications of this change, particularly in relation to dimensional regularization and integral evaluation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the rationale and methodology for changing momentum integrals to spherical coordinates, referencing Halzen's book for guidance.
  • Another participant suggests that the spherical coordinates refer specifically to momentum space.
  • It is noted that transitioning to spherical coordinates is a standard procedure in multivariable calculus.
  • A participant highlights the utility of the transformation, indicating that the volume element changes to d^3 p → p^2 dp dΩ.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of this change, as some participants have successfully solved loop integrals using dimensional regularization without it.
  • A question is posed regarding the interpretation of the area of a unit sphere in this context, leading to further clarification about the dimensionality involved.
  • Another participant explains that the purpose of dimensional regularization is to express the integral in four dimensions as a limit of an integral in d dimensions, linking it to the area of a d-1-dimensional unit sphere.
  • There is a discussion about the volume element of an "hypersphere" and the confusion surrounding the term "unit sphere," with a participant clarifying that the volume element is derived from the spherical coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and methodology of changing to spherical coordinates, with some advocating for its use while others question its relevance based on their previous experiences with dimensional regularization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions and interpretations of dimensional regularization and the volume elements involved in the transformations. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the techniques and their applications in loop computations.

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So I was asked to compute loop contributions to the Higgs and compute the integrals in spherical coordinates, I gave a look to Halzen book but did not found anything. Why, when and how to make that change?
 
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I suspect they mean spherical coordinates in momentum space ...
 
Orodruin said:
I suspect they mean spherical coordinates in momentum space ...

"[...]Change the momentum integrals to spherical coordinates[...]"
 
So what is the problem? Going to spherical coordinates is a standard procedure from multivariable calculus.
 
d^3 p \rightarrow p^2 dp d \Omega
is quite useful ...
 
But why? because I solved loop integrals using dim regularization and other tricks and never used the change of variables. That is why I asked when to use the change of variables instead to keep using my previous methods (Used in many loop computations by some textboks like Peskin's)
 
Breo said:
But why? because I solved loop integrals using dim regularization and other tricks and never used the change of variables.
Did you perhaps use the standard forms of the integrals that you end up with in dim-reg which you can find, eg, in the end of Peskin? How do you think these integrals are evaluated?
 
oh!

On the unit sphere area?
 
why "unit" sphere area?
 
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ChrisVer said:
why "unit" sphere area?

I am still wondering haha

Do not know for now... tip for clairvoyance?
 
  • #11
The entire point with dim reg is to rewrite the integral in 4-d as a limit of an integral in d "dimensions". Interpreting it as the area of a d-1-dimensional unit sphere and an integral where ##p^{d-1}\, dp## has replaced the volume ##d^dp##.
 
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Let's try it this way... How would you solve this integral:
\int \frac{d^3 p}{(2 \pi)^3} \frac{a }{|p|^2+m^2} e^{-i\vec{p} \cdot \vec{x}}
?
 
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Orodruin said:
area of a d-1-dimensional unit sphere

Why saying a unit sphere? This doesn't make sense, exactly because the ##d^d p## is a volume. The d^d p = |p|^{d-1} dp d\Omega_{d-1} is a volume element of an "hypersphere" between radius ##p## and ##p+dp##.

edit: I think I figured it out
 
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ChrisVer said:
Why saying a unit sphere? This doesn't make sense, exactly because the ##d^d p## is a volume. The d^d p = |p|^{d-1} dp d\Omega_{d-1} is a volume element of an "hypersphere" between radius ##p## and ##p+dp##.
Yes, exactly. I took one step extra and integrated the ##d\Omega##. This gives you the area of the d-1-dimensional unit sphere.
 

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