Why Use Methanol and Ether for Washing in Synthesis?

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The discussion revolves around the use of methanol and ethyl ether as solvents for washing products in inorganic and organic synthesis. Participants explore the reasons for choosing these specific solvents over others, considering their solubility properties and practical advantages in purification processes.

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  • Some participants suggest that washing products with solvents they are not soluble in helps to purify them, while solvents that dissolve the desired product can maximize yields.
  • There is curiosity about why methanol and ethyl ether are preferred over other organic solvents, with some questioning the solubility of inorganic compounds in these solvents.
  • One participant proposes that many organic compounds are soluble in methanol and ethyl ether, while salts are likely insoluble, although they wonder if this is a valid assumption.
  • Another participant agrees that the assumption about inorganic impurities being removable with an organic solvent wash is reasonable and emphasizes the effectiveness of methanol and ether as solvents for organic compounds.
  • It is noted that while methanol and ether are commonly used, alternatives like ethyl acetate or DCM could also be employed, with methanol and ether being favored for their ease of evaporation and detection in analytical methods.

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Participants generally agree on the effectiveness of methanol and ether for washing products, but there is no consensus on the necessity of these specific solvents over others, leading to multiple competing views regarding solvent choice.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the solubility of various compounds in methanol and ethyl ether, and the discussion does not resolve the question of why these solvents are specifically chosen over others.

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I read many procedure for inorganic/organic synthesis, and see that most often after filtering the product, they suggest to wash them with small amount of methanol and ethyl ether.

Why do we have to use those 2 solvents to wash our products?
 
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Shadowz said:
I read many procedure for inorganic/organic synthesis, and see that most often after filtering the product, they suggest to wash them with small amount of methanol and ethyl ether.

Why do we have to use those 2 solvents to wash our products?

you wash your products with solvents that they are not soluble in in order to purify them. on the other hand, if you are filtering out stuff you don't want, you wash what you filter off with a solvent that will dissolve your desired product in order maximize your yields. methanol and ether are excellent solvents a lot of times for organic sythesis.
 
That's the basic idea. But I wonder why it has to be methanol and dimethyl ether, but not other organic solvents.
 
Shadowz said:
I read many procedure for inorganic/organic synthesis, and see that most often after filtering the product, they suggest to wash them with small amount of methanol and ethyl ether.

Why do we have to use those 2 solvents to wash our products?
Which compound description do you mean? Inorganic, or Organic? Maybe some inorganic compounds are fairly insoluble in methanol or ethyl ether. Best guess is that many or most organic compound may be soluble in methanol or ethyl ether; salts are likely insoluble in the organic solvents (is this a bad assumption?)
 
symbolipoint said:
Which compound description do you mean? Inorganic, or Organic? Maybe some inorganic compounds are fairly insoluble in methanol or ethyl ether. Best guess is that many or most organic compound may be soluble in methanol or ethyl ether; salts are likely insoluble in the organic solvents (is this a bad assumption?)

No. That is a good assumption. A lot of inorganic impurities can be removed from a filtering+organic solvent wash. Methanol and ether are excellent solvents for organic compounds a lot of times.


That's the basic idea. But I wonder why it has to be methanol and dimethyl ether, but not other organic solvents.



It doesn't have to be strictly methanol or ether. You could use solvents like ethyl acetate or DCM as well. Methanol and ether are used a lot of times because they are easy to evaporate off and dissolve a lot of organic compounds. Methanol and ether are also extremely easy to spot by NMR and also don't show up on things like the UV spectra in a LC/MS which makes identification of what you have much easier.
 

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