Why Velocity is different in different equations?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of velocity from a given position function, specifically the equation x=16-12t+2(t^2). Participants are exploring the differences in velocity results obtained from the derivative of the position function and from average velocity calculations over a specified time interval.

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  • Participants attempt to differentiate the position function to find velocity and compare it to average velocity calculations. Questions arise regarding discrepancies in results when evaluating velocity at specific time points versus calculating average velocity over an interval.

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Some participants have provided insights into the differences between instantaneous velocity and average velocity, suggesting that the original poster may be conflating these concepts. There is ongoing exploration of the definitions and calculations involved, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note that the initial position at t=0 is not zero, which affects the average velocity calculation. There is also mention of the need to consider the change in position over time when calculating average velocity.

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Homework Statement


Calculate velocity. x=position. t=time

Homework Equations


x=16-12t+2(t^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Derivative of x: v=4t-12
Ok let's try:
Equation of x: x=16-12t+2(t^2)
Equation of v: v=4t-12

With the equation of x: x(3)=-2 then v(3)=-2/3.
Ok, but with the equation of v: v(3)=0.
There are different results! Why?
What am I doing wrong?
 
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Gjmdp said:

Homework Statement


Calculate velocity. x=position. t=time

Homework Equations


x=16-12t+2(t^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Derivative of x: v=4t-12
Ok let's try:
Equation of x: x=16-12t+2(t^2)
Equation of v: v=4t-12

With the equation of x: x(3)=2 then v(3)=3/2.
Ok, but with the equation of v: v(3)=0.
There are different results! Why?
What am I doing wrong?
Using your equations: x(3)=16-12*3+2*9=16-36+18=-2 and v(3)=0.
How do you get v(3)=3/2?
 
Samy_A said:
Using your equations: x(3)=16-12*3+2*9=16-36+18=-2 and v(3)=0.
How do you get v(3)=3/2?
So x(3)=-2 in t=3.
v=x/t
v(3)=-2/3
Sorry, I was wrong.
But it keep being different
v(3)=0: v(3)=-2/3
 
Gjmdp said:
So x(3)=-2 in t=3.
v=x/t
v(3)=-2/3
I was wrong.
But it keep being different
v=0: v=-2/3
You are computing two different quantities.
The formula v=4t-12 gives you the velocity at t=3

The formula (distance travelled)/time would give you the average speed.
The formula (change in position)/time would give you the average velocity.
Try it out, by computing how much the traveling object has moved from t=0 to t=3, and then dividing this by 3. Take into account that x(0)≠0.
 
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-13/3 is the average speed from t=0 to t=3 OK thanks a lot.
 
Gjmdp said:
-13/3 is the average speed from t=0 to t=3 OK thanks a lot.
How did you get -13?

Not saying it is wrong, but I find something different:
x(0)=16, x(3)=-2
Change in position=-2-16=-18
Average velocity = -18/3 =-6
 
Gjmdp said:
So x(3)=-2 in t=3.
v=x/t
v(3)=-2/3
Sorry, I was wrong.
But it keep being different
v(3)=0: v(3)=-2/3
v is not equal to x/t. This is only correct if x =0 at t = 0 (which in your problem it is not) and if v is constant (which in your problem it is not).
 

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