Why Was Darwen Wrong About Sexual Selection?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived inaccuracies in Charles Darwin's theory of sexual selection. Participants debate the reasons behind Darwin's claims, suggesting he may have lacked complete understanding of sexual behaviors and mate selection. There is a consensus that sexual selection is tied to maximizing reproductive success, with individuals subconsciously seeking partners that reflect traits similar to their parents, which historically ensured survival. The conversation highlights the complexity of modern human mate selection, influenced by societal norms and personal values, contrasting with animal behaviors. Some argue that Darwin's views may not fully encompass the nuances of sexual selection in contemporary contexts, while others defend his foundational theories, suggesting that they have been updated through modern genetics. The role of alpha males in human societies and the impact of social structures on mate selection are also discussed, emphasizing how cultural factors intertwine with biological instincts. Overall, the debate illustrates the ongoing evolution of understanding sexual selection and its implications for both animals and humans.
  • #31
Danger said:
I'm just going to put this in my terms and let the censor software deal with it. As a general rule, women **** for flash and marry for cash. They want the macho jerk to impregnate them, and then let the ugly rich guy deal with raising the kid.

Well, you use more asterisks then me anyway. The women wish to bear healthy children that survive. How that's accomplished is of secondary concern.

"she purposefully pursues him and wins for her prize, his dominant genes for her offspring", Stacy Keech, talking about elephants.
 
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Danger said:
I'm just going to put this in my terms and let the censor software deal with it. As a general rule, women **** for flash and marry for cash. They want the macho jerk to impregnate them, and then let the ugly rich guy deal with raising the kid.
I don't think so, the broken relationship you mentioned, and if I am not mistaken, is due to the man's "choosey" nature and also because his wife couldn't put up with such a "him" anymore not because of the fact that he is rich, I believe.
Fame and money are what most people try to earn, and they sure become main targets for social selection in human society, which explains for my assumption.
I think one of the main points distinguished humans and other animals in selecting a mate lies in there also...
 
  • #33
Emieno said:
Fame and money are what most people try to earn.

Francis Fukuyama wrote "The End of History and The Last Man". He emphasized the point that we all struggle for recognition. He proposed that we live in a world of masters and slaves: "masters" will fight to the death for recognition; "slaves" . . . will not.
 
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In humans, a case can be made for sexual selection. The shape of a woman's hips is an erotic trigger for we men, and it is an indication that the hips are wide enough for a decent birth canal to function and produce a live baby. Ample breasts are another trigger and they are needed to nurse the baby. An ample buttock stores energy reserves and the back curve indicates a balanced spine. bow legs, skinny calves and other disfiguring characteristics are indications of misuse, mal nutrition, or genetic defect.

We men do seek what is physically healthy, but we are certainly at least as concerned over the personality! It too has a selective basis---at least to me. I don't know if this has been researched, but in my case perhaps we can see an example of what I am talking about. I have no patience with stupid women, but that does not mean I want one who claims to be smarter than myself. This may seem a paradox to you all, but the fact is that a very smart woman can be very feminine and, hence, very attractive. I am not saying their femininess is "put on." It is only attractive if it is genuine. Men are not that easily fooled.

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