Why Was My Work Calculation Incorrect?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to work done by a force acting on a block undergoing displacement. The original poster expresses confusion regarding their calculation of work, specifically the use of cosine versus sine in the context of the angle between the force and displacement vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's calculation method, questioning the choice of cosine for the angle and the implications of using sine instead. There are inquiries about the definitions of angles in relation to force and displacement.

Discussion Status

Some participants agree with the original poster's reasoning while others provide alternative perspectives on angle definitions. There is a suggestion to confront the professor for clarification, indicating a productive direction in seeking understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for different interpretations of the angle used in the calculation, as well as the implications of vertical versus horizontal forces in relation to work done.

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Homework Statement

On my exam, I got this problem wrong, which I believed was incredibly easy, and I don't know why it's wrong...

"A constant force of 25 N is applied as shown to a block which undergoes a displacement of 7.5 m to the right along a frictionless surface while the force acts. What is the work done by the force?"
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Homework Equations


W = F * S

The Attempt at a Solution


There is a displacement to the right, while the force vector is to the left, therefore work is in the negative.

displacement (s) = 7.5 m
F = 25 N (cos 30 degrees)

I chose cosine because we are only concerned for the x direction...which is adjacent to the angle of 30 degrees...

therefore
W = F * s = [25 N (cos 30)] * [-7.5 m]
W = -162 J

However the answe was -94 J...and this is because sine was used instead. Why? My professor didn't care to explain why...
 
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physlexic said:

Homework Statement

On my exam, I got this problem wrong, which I believed was incredibly easy, and I don't know why it's wrong...

"A constant force of 25 N is applied as shown to a block which undergoes a displacement of 7.5 m to the right along a frictionless surface while the force acts. What is the work done by the force?"
Juhnd9L.jpg


Homework Equations


W = F * S

The Attempt at a Solution


There is a displacement to the right, while the force vector is to the left, therefore work is in the negative.

displacement (s) = 7.5 m
F = 25 N (cos 30 degrees)

I chose cosine because we are only concerned for the x direction...which is adjacent to the angle of 30 degrees...

therefore
W = F * s = [25 N (cos 30)] * [-7.5 m]
W = -162 J

However the answe was -94 J...and this is because sine was used instead. Why? My professor didn't care to explain why...
I can only suggest you ask your professor what the answer would have been with an angle of 90 degrees.
 
are you agreeing that I was correct? because if so that's a whole letter grade I get back to my test if I can stump my professor and prove that I was right...and I help out my classmates with the same answer as me.

and that's true...because if it was 90 degrees no work would be done but since he used sine which equals 1 it's implying work was done...and a vertical force never causes a horizontal displacement.

I thought you also never use sine for work. I never came across a problem where you had to besides this one.
 
physlexic said:
are you agreeing that I was correct?
Yes.
physlexic said:
I thought you also never use sine for work.
It depends how you are defining the angle. What if F were dragging the block up against a vertical wall? Or if the given angle were measured against the vertical?
If you are defining the angle to be that between the force vector and the displacement vector then I agree. ##|\vec x.\vec y| = |\vec x|.|\vec y| |\cos(\theta)|##
 
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haruspex said:
Yes.

It depends how you are defining the angle. What if F were dragging the block up against a vertical wall? Or if the given angle were measured against the vertical?
If you are defining the angle to be that between the force vector and the displacement vector then I agree. ##|\vec x.\vec y| = |\vec x|.|\vec y| \cos(\theta)##

I see from your examples, it would make sense to use sine then in those situations.

thank you for the explanation. I suppose I will confront him about this, as nice as possible.
 

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