Why Was Reprogramming Mature Cells Worth a Nobel Prize?

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The discussion revolves around the Nobel Prizes awarded in 2012, particularly focusing on the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine awarded for the reprogramming of mature cells to become pluripotent, as well as the Nobel Prize in Physics for advancements in quantum measurement techniques. Participants express their thoughts on the significance of these awards and the implications for future research and therapeutic applications.

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  • Some participants express surprise at Yamanaka receiving the Nobel Prize at an early stage, suggesting it might have been more appropriate after therapeutic applications were developed.
  • There are discussions about the significance of the Nobel Prize in Physics, with some participants questioning the implications of the awarded work on quantum mechanics and its relation to established principles like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
  • Participants note the contributions of Serge Haroche and David J. Wineland in measuring and manipulating quantum systems, with some interpreting the award as recognition of a lifetime of achievements rather than a single breakthrough.
  • Several participants critique the Nobel Peace Prize selections, arguing that recent choices reflect political motivations rather than genuine contributions to peace.
  • Some express skepticism about the effectiveness of organizations like the EU and the UN in promoting peace, citing ongoing global conflicts and crises.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express a mix of admiration and skepticism regarding the Nobel Prize selections, with no clear consensus on the significance of the awards or the motivations behind them. Disagreements arise particularly around the perceived value of the Peace Prize and the effectiveness of the organizations recognized.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the discussions surrounding the implications of scientific discoveries and the political context of the Peace Prize, indicating that the discussions are influenced by personal opinions and interpretations of the awards.

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Readers interested in the intersection of scientific achievements and their recognition, as well as those exploring the political implications of awards like the Nobel Peace Prize, may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
arildno said:
Nope.
NATO did that, or the value of having a common ideological enemy in the communis regimes.
They both have helped in different ways. To suggest that the EU has had no effect on peace in Europe is a hard position to defend.
 
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  • #32
Ryan_m_b said:
They both have helped in different ways. To suggest that the EU has had no effect on peace in Europe is a hard position to defend.
Not really.
1. What specific prewar escalations have happened witin the Eurozone during the last 60 years where it is provable that it was the mediating efforts of the (proto-)EU that helped ameliorate?

2. What wars have broken out with at least one of the european antagonists a non-EU-member?

Do come with any specific instances of EUs critical peace-saving role on the European continent.
 
  • #33
arildno said:
NATO did that, or the value of having a common ideological enemy in the communis regimes

Perhaps, but the chances of getting Jagland to admit that (much less reward it) are about the same as having the Plebiscite of 1905 repealed.
 
  • #34
Vanadium 50 said:
Perhaps, but the chances of getting Jagland to admit that (much less reward it) are about the same as having the Plebiscite of 1905 repealed.

Eeh, which of them?
We had two..
 
  • #35
arildno said:
Not really.
1. What specific prewar escalations have happened witin the Eurozone during the last 60 years where it is provable that it was the mediating efforts of the (proto-)EU that helped ameliorate?
You're looking at it backwards, the purpose of interconnected european economies was to mitigate the need for escalation.
 
  • #36
Ryan_m_b said:
You're looking at it backwards, the purpose of interconnected european economies was to mitigate the need for escalation.
So the establishment of the Coal and Steel union prevented Great Britain from attacking Finland in 1952?
Or Spain from attacking Portugal in 1964??

There are no incidents (or non-incidents) whatsoever in which EU can be shown to have had any peace-keeping role whatsoever, that idea is a merely religious dogma, without any sort of empirical foundation.
 
  • #37
The Economics Prize was announced today.

http://news.yahoo.com/americans-roth-shaply-win-nobel-prize-economics-110737894.html

The award citation said Shapley had used game theory to study and compare various matching methods and how to make sure the matches were acceptable to all counterparts, including the creation of a special algorithm.

Roth followed up on Shapley's results in a series of empirical studies and helped redesign existing institutions so that new doctors could be matched with hospitals, students with schools or patients with organ donors.

When I read that, I thought of eBay and craigslist, matching people who want to get rid of stuff they no longer want with people who want that stuff.
 
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  • #38
Roth followed up on Shapley's results in a series of empirical studies and helped redesign existing institutions so that new doctors could be matched with hospitals, students with schools or patients with organ donors.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19946503 I got the impression that (1) Gales and Shapley invented some theory, (2) Roth discovered that the hospitals were already doing the same thing as the theory predicted they ought to be doing, (3) therefore the theory must be right.

You could draw the alternative conclusion that (3) having the theory didn't add any value to the situation - but hey, this is economics, not "hard science".

Actually, this is a bit more informative (though even Ms Flanders doens't have much time for macro-economists, it seems): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19954671
 
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  • #39
AlephZero said:
You could draw the alternative conclusion that (3) having the theory didn't add any value to the situation - but hey, this is economics, not "hard science".
But the theory has been used to improve other situations. From your 2nd link to the Flanders article:
Mr Roth helped New York City redesign its system for allocating children to public school places. Using his algorithm led to a 90% fall in the number of students who ended up in schools that they had not even included among their five listed preferences. Now cities all over the US use some form of Mr Roth's algorithm for allocating students to schools.
 
  • #40
Redbelly98 said:
But the theory has been used to improve other situations.

An audio explanation of why solving this problem was worth a Nobel prize: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nbrjc :smile:

Skip to time 18:30. (Note this will only be available for a few days).
 

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