Why Wave Functions Use Complex Exponentials vs Trigonometric Functions

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The discussion centers on the reasons for using complex exponential functions in wave functions, such as Schrödinger's equation, as opposed to trigonometric functions like sine or cosine. It explores theoretical implications, mathematical properties, and the nature of probability amplitudes in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that complex-valued wave functions are necessary to maintain standing waves of constant magnitude over time, while real-valued functions would require oscillation in magnitude.
  • Others argue that using sine and cosine functions is permissible, as indicated by Euler's identity, but they emphasize that the time evolution of a wave function must conserve the norm of the state vector.
  • A participant notes that standard quantum mechanics requires a complex wave function defined on configuration space, and while it is possible to use functions mapping to real numbers, it cannot be solely real-valued.
  • Another participant questions what specific properties of standard quantum mechanics necessitate a complex wave function, referencing the physics of spin 1/2 systems as an example.
  • One participant compares the necessity of a complex wave function to the requirement of position and momentum in Newtonian physics, suggesting that the nature of quantum systems inherently requires complex functions to predict probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of using complex versus real-valued wave functions. There is no consensus on the specific properties of quantum mechanics that require a complex wave function, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the fundamental reasons behind this choice.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of wave functions and the unresolved nature of the properties that necessitate complex values in quantum mechanics.

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Why are wave functions, e.g., Schrödinger's, based on the complex exponential function (e[tex]^{}ix[/tex]) and not trigonometric functions (sine or cosine)?

See Euler's formula for their relationship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_formula

Furthermore, by using the complex exponential function, the probability amplitude becomes a complex-valued function (a + bi). Were sine or cosine used, the probability amplitude of the wave function would not be a complex-valued function. Is there a reason that the probability amplitude should be a complex-valued function?
 
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You need complex-valued wavefunctions so that you can have standing waves of constant magnitude over time (such as in a potential well). Real-valued functions would have to oscillate in magnitude.
 
What do you mean by magnitude? Is it the same as amplitude?
 
Nothing keeps you from using sine and cos. That what Euler's identity says.

The time evolution of a state vector/ wave function must conserve the norm of the state vector, and it always has to be one.

Note e[tex]^{it}[/tex] e[tex]^{it}[/tex]=1.
 
redtree said:
Why are wave functions, e.g., Schrödinger's, based on the complex exponential function (e[tex]^{}ix[/tex]) and not trigonometric functions (sine or cosine)?

See Euler's formula for their relationship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_formula

Furthermore, by using the complex exponential function, the probability amplitude becomes a complex-valued function (a + bi). Were sine or cosine used, the probability amplitude of the wave function would not be a complex-valued function. Is there a reason that the probability amplitude should be a complex-valued function?

My post https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1539835&postcount=20 and some other posts in that thread may be relevant.
 
The simple answer is that standard quantum mechanics as we understand it requires a complex wavefunction [tex]\psi[/tex] defined on the configuration space. You can replace this with a function to [tex]\mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R}[/tex] and change the equations accordingly, since [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R}[/tex] are isomorphic. But you can't replace [tex]\psi[/tex] with a function to just [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex].

Also, Euler's formula doesn't turn a complex number into a real number. [tex]\cos \theta + i \sin \theta[/tex] is still a complex number, and the probability amplitude will still be a complex valued function.
 
dx said:
The simple answer is that standard quantum mechanics as we understand it requires a complex wavefunction [tex]\psi[/tex] defined on the configuration space. You can replace this with a function to [tex]\mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R}[/tex] and change the equations accordingly, since [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R}[/tex] are isomorphic. But you can't replace [tex]\psi[/tex] with a function to just [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex].

What properties of standard quantum mechanics require a complex wavefunction?
 
redtree said:
dx said:
The simple answer is that standard quantum mechanics as we understand it requires a complex wavefunction [tex]\psi[/tex] defined on the configuration space. You can replace this with a function to [tex]\mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R}[/tex] and change the equations accordingly, since [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R}[/tex] are isomorphic. But you can't replace [tex]\psi[/tex] with a function to just [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex].QUOTE]


What properties of standard quantum mechanics require a complex wavefunction?

well the physics of spin 1/2 systems for example, see Sakurai - Modern Quantum Mechanics chapter 1
 
redtree said:
What properties of standard quantum mechanics require a complex wavefunction?

That's like asking what property of Newtonian physics requires the mechanical state of a particle to be position and momentum. It is possible to construct a theory where the time evolution of a particle depends only on initial position, but that's not the way nature is. It just happens to be so that the mechanical state of a quantum system needed to predict future probabilities is a complex function.
 

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