Wick rotation is consistent with caculus?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Wick rotation in the context of action integrals in physics. Participants explore the implications of this rotation on the limits of integration and the relationship between real and complex analysis, particularly in relation to singularities and contour integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the upper limit of the integral remains infinity after Wick rotation, suggesting it should be +i∞.
  • Another participant explains that Wick rotation is not merely a change of variable but a rotation in the complex plane, often involving an "iε" prescription to avoid singularities.
  • A participant inquires about the nature of the closed contour in the complex plane, specifically regarding the origin and axes.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between Wick rotations in position space and momentum space, with one participant noting that singularities are known in momentum space, while they may not be in position space.
  • Another participant asserts that Wick rotation generally proceeds through a quadrant of the complex plane where the integrand is zero at infinity, clarifying the contour involved.
  • One participant expresses hope that the potential V can be treated perturbatively around a minimum, referencing the steepest descent method commonly used in momentum space.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of Wick rotation, particularly regarding the treatment of singularities and the nature of the contour in the complex plane. There is no consensus on the specific points raised, indicating ongoing debate.

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Participants discuss the relationship between real and complex analysis, highlighting the complexities involved in Wick rotation and the assumptions related to singularities and integrals. The discussion reflects a nuanced understanding of these mathematical concepts without resolving the uncertainties presented.

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knowing the action
[tex]S[x(t)]=\int_0^\infty dt'\left[\frac{m}{2}\left(\frac{dx}{dt'}\right)^2-V(x)\right][/tex]
After the so-called wick's rotation[tex]t'=-i\tau[/tex] with [tex]\tau[/tex] being real,
the action becomes
[tex]S[x(t)]=i\int_0^\infty d\tau\left[\frac{m}{2}\left(\frac{dx}{d\tau}\right)^2+V(x)\right][/tex]
my question is why the upper limit of the integral in the secong equation is still [tex]\infty[/tex]?
I think ist should be [tex]+i\infty[/tex]
 
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PRB147 said:
my question is why the upper limit of the integral in the secong equation is still [tex]\infty[/tex]?
Because it is not merely a change of variable : it is really a rotation in the complex plane. A Wick rotation is usually equivalent to a so-called "i[itex]\epsilon[/itex]" prescription : you want to define a contour in the complex plane avoiding the singularities of your integrand on a precise side (up or down, right or left). Usually you do that because your integrand is well behaved at infinity only in certain directions.

If I understand correctly, "calculus" refers to "real analysis". A Wick rotation involves complex analysis. If that can cheer you up, complex analysis is very different from real analysis, and in many regards more powerful, so I would say more fun to use.
 
avoiding the singularities of your integrand on a precise side (up or down, right or left). Usually you do that because your integrand is well behaved at infinity only in certain directions.
Do you mean the origin, the positive real axis and positive imaginary axis constitute a
closed contour?
 
humanino said:
Because it is not merely a change of variable : it is really a rotation in the complex plane. A Wick rotation is usually equivalent to a so-called "i[itex]\epsilon[/itex]" prescription

So by "usually" do you mean that a Wick rotation in position space is almost the same as doing the Wick rotation in momentum space, but not always?

Because when you have the [tex]i\epsilon[/tex] prescription in momentum space, you know where your singularities are, so you can perform a Wick rotation. But in position space you just perform a Wick rotation without knowing where the singularities are.
 
PRB147 said:
Do you mean the origin, the positive real axis and positive imaginary axis constitute a
closed contour?

No. Wick rotation generally proceeds through a quadrant of the complex plane where the integrand is strictly zero at infinity. So, the contour actually involves (in the case you cite) the positive real axis, a 90 degree arc at infinity and the positive complex axis.
 
RedX said:
So by "usually" do you mean that a Wick rotation in position space is almost the same as doing the Wick rotation in momentum space, but not always?

Because when you have the [tex]i\epsilon[/tex] prescription in momentum space, you know where your singularities are, so you can perform a Wick rotation. But in position space you just perform a Wick rotation without knowing where the singularities are.
Well I hope that the potential V can be treated pertubatively around a minimum (steepest descent) as usual in momentum space.
 

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