Wigner function of two orthogonal states: quantum harmonic oscillator

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The discussion focuses on the Wigner function of two orthogonal states of the quantum harmonic oscillator, specifically seeking an analytical expression for the Wigner function when integrating over two different eigenstates. The conversation includes elements of mathematical reasoning and exploratory approaches to solving the integral involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Wigner function for individual eigenstates and seeks the Wigner function for two orthogonal states, proposing an integral formulation.
  • Another participant suggests that the original post may have been deleted from the homework section due to insufficient work shown, recommending that the poster demonstrate their attempts at evaluating the integral.
  • A participant mentions that they are new to the forum and expresses a desire for a closed analytical expression for the Wigner function, noting that they can obtain specific results from mathematical packages.
  • One participant provides a reference to an equation that may help in deriving the desired Wigner function, cautioning against using results without rederiving them to avoid propagating errors.
  • Another participant acknowledges the importance of verifying results and suggests deriving the Wigner function for a few orthogonal states to ensure accuracy.
  • A participant notes that the provided equation is general and can reduce to the desired form when specific conditions are applied.
  • One participant introduces the method of generating functions as a potential approach to simplify the evaluation of the integrals involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of agreement on the importance of verifying results and deriving them independently. However, there is no consensus on the specific analytical form of the Wigner function for two orthogonal states, and multiple approaches are suggested without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for specific mathematical techniques and properties of the Wigner function, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions necessary for deriving the desired expression.

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The Wigner function,

<br /> W(x,p)\equiv\frac{1}{\pi\hbar}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}<br /> \psi^*(x+y)\psi(x-y)e^{2ipy/\hbar}\, dy\; ,<br />

of the quantum harmonic oscillator eigenstates is given by,

<br /> W(x,p) = \frac{1}{\pi\hbar}\exp(-2\epsilon)(-1)^nL_n(4\epsilon)\; ,<br />

where

<br /> \epsilon = \frac{1}{\omega\hbar}\left(\frac{p^2}{2m}+\frac{m\omega^2x^2}{2}\right)<br />

and

L_n(x) are the Laguerre polynomials.

I would like to know the Wigner function of two orthogonal states of the quantum harmonic oscillator (in analytical form as above), as in, the Wigner function of

<br /> W(x,p) = \frac{1}{\pi\hbar}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}<br /> \psi_m^*(x+y)\psi_n(x-y)e^{2ipy/\hbar}\, dy\; ,<br />

where m\ne n.

Any ideas are most welcome.

Thanks in advance, Jimmylok
 
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I am guessing that your post in the HW section was deleted because you didn't show more work on your attempt at a solution. If this is for a HW assignment, you should show that you've tried to evaluate that integral and pinpoint exactly what is giving you trouble. I'm sure that the method used to evaluate the function for a single state would be helpful to review in order to solve the present problem. It looks like you have to use a certain addition formula for (associated) Laguerre polynomials, in particular given as the first equation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laguerre_polynomials#Recurrence_relations.
 
I am new to physics forums and my frist post was actually this one but then I read somewhere that questions including your own study questions should go under homework, and therefore I posted it again under homework. The answer is not so important to have as I can ask any mathematical package for the answer for specific orthogonal states. It would just be nice to have a closed analytical expression for this like the one I posted for the wigner function of individual eigenstates, which I got from a paper by N Rowley, with title The oscillatory structure of the quantum harmonic oscillator Wigner function. I work as a researcher in physics and the derivation of the result is more or less a mathematicians work. I just need the result and if possible the reference for it so that I can reference the result in my own work. Thanks
 
I wasn't aware there were groups of mathematicians out there that I could outsource my troublesome integrals to...

An expression for the functions you want is given as eq 74 in http://server.physics.miami.edu/~curtright/QMPSoverview.pdf. They give journal references there. I wouldn't be particularly enthusiastic about using the result without rederiving it, since that would just tend to propagate typos and other errors.
 
Thanks a lot, yes you are quite right, one should check the result and even derive it themselves. Wigner's function has certain properties which should always fulfil and if that is not enough you can derive the result for a few orthogonal states and then do the same with the formula you just showed me.

Thanks a lot really appreciated.
 
It turns out that the equation you just showed me is a more general equation, so if k=n then the equation reduces down to the one I posted, and that is exactly what I wanted, thanks again
 
There's an easy way to do all of the integrals at once - the method of generating functions.

Introduce dummy variables t and u, multiply each integral by tm un, sum over m and n, and use the generating function for Laguerre functions. The resulting integral is easy - just an exponential - after which, reexpand in powers of t and u.
 

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