Win a Davidson Institute Fellowship: Unlock the Potential of Your Math Project

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Davidson Institute Fellow Scholarship, specifically focusing on potential mathematical projects that could be presented for the application. Participants explore various mathematical concepts and ideas, including geometric properties, fractals, and integration techniques, while considering the challenges of originality in mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the Triangle constant, suggesting it relates the area of an equilateral triangle to its side length.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the originality and validity of the fractals and integration project, emphasizing the importance of contextualizing new ideas within existing knowledge.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the feasibility of proving the geometric ideas formally.
  • A participant mentions the existence of Gaussian quadrature as a known integration technique, questioning the novelty of the proposed Gaussian Integration method.
  • Discussion includes a description of Kashi's transform, which aims to generalize area formulas for triangles, with a request for clarity on its application.
  • One participant notes that research typically involves exploring existing knowledge rather than presenting entirely new inventions.
  • Another participant highlights the disappointment regarding course offerings at CSULA, particularly in relation to learning integration.
  • Clarifications are made about the Kashi's transform and its potential applications in deriving new area formulas for triangles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the originality and viability of the proposed mathematical projects, with some supporting the geometric ideas while others remain skeptical about the fractals and integration techniques. The discussion does not reach a consensus on which project would be the best to present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the difficulty of finding new contributions in basic mathematics and emphasize the need for thorough research into existing concepts. There are also references to the requirements for the scholarship application, which remain unclear to some participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Students interested in mathematical research, scholarship applications, and those exploring the intersection of original ideas and established mathematical concepts may find this discussion relevant.

MevsEinstein
Messages
124
Reaction score
36
If you didn't know, there is something called the Davidson Institute Fellow Scholarship for middle and high school students. To get a scholarship (which come in 10,000 dollars, 25,000 dollars, and 50,000 dollars (if I remember correctly)), you will need to share a research project in the subjects provided: Technology, Engineering, Science, Philosophy, Music, Mathematics, Literature, and Outside the Box. For more information, see this link: https://www.davidsongifted.org/gifted-programs/fellows-scholarship/

Right now, I want to get the scholarship by showing one of my Mathematical discoveries. Here's what I have:

The Triangle constant (##2/(3^{1/4})##): If you multiply this number to the square root of the area of an equilateral triangle, you will get the measure of the triangle's side.

Kashi's transform: This takes in any "area of a triangle" formula and transforms it into another one that works for non-right triangles. I made a formula using Kashi's transform that contained the tangent function.

Tri-horn fractal: I messed up the generation of imaginary numbers to make this fractal: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/596884463/ . This can mean that I have made a new way to generate fractals by ruining real math.

Gaussian Integration: This is a hypothetical integration technique derived from Gauss's "some of consecutive positive integers" formula: ##n(n+1)/2##.

Since I'm supposed to have only one application, I will have to choose from one of the four. Which invention/discovery would be best to present?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You know that the deadline for 2022 has passed?

I haven't found any requirements of what exactly could be researched.

It is generally difficult in mathematics to find something new on a basic level. I'm therefore a bit skeptical about your fractals and integration project. Of course, you could take them and set them into the context of what is actually already known and how your ideas fit in there. But it could as well be the case, that your ideas simply do not work.

The geometric ideas are probably better, as long as you can formally prove them.

I wouldn't underestimate in general the amount of searching what is already known! Also, a view into the history of the field can be very helpful.
 
  • Like
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: pbuk, MevsEinstein and berkeman
fresh_42 said:
You know that the deadline for 2022 has passed?
Yeah I know I'm just planning to do it if I don't get accepted to CSU LA's early entrance program.
 
fresh_42 said:
You know that the deadline for 2022 has passed?

I haven't found any requirements of what exactly could be researched.

It is generally difficult in mathematics to find something new on a basic level. I'm therefore a bit skeptical about your fractals and integration project. Of course, you could take them and set them into the context of what is actually already known and how your ideas fit in there. But it could as well be the case, that your ideas simply do not work.

The geometric ideas are probably better, as long as you can formally prove them.

I wouldn't underestimate in general the amount of searching what is already known! Also, a view into the history of the field can be very helpful.
Thanks for your suggestions!
 
MevsEinstein said:
Yeah I know I'm just planning to do it if I don't get accepted to CSU LA's early entrance program.
Just fyi. CSULA does not normally offer Analysis 2 (Integration) and Modern Algebra 2 (Ring Theory). It is taught every two years irc. Something to consider.
 
MidgetDwarf said:
CSULA does not normally offer Analysis 2 (Integration) and Modern Algebra 2 (Ring Theory).
The main reason why I wanted to join college early was to learn Integration and stuff like that. Very disappointing >:(
 
MevsEinstein said:
The main reason why I wanted to join college early was to learn Integration and stuff like that. Very disappointing >:(
A good start to get an overview is Wikipedia. I wouldn't learn it from there, but it is an appetizer. If you search "Calculus+pdf" or "Analysis 1 + pdf" then you will find lecture notes.
 
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: berkeman
MevsEinstein said:
The Triangle constant (##2/(3^{1/4})##): If you multiply this number to the square root of the area of an equilateral triangle, you will get the measure of the triangle's side.
That would be rather a short paper - it's one line of trig and 3 lines of algebra.

MevsEinstein said:
Kashi's transform: This takes in any "area of a triangle" formula and transforms it into another one that works for non-right triangles. I made a formula using Kashi's transform that contained the tangent function.
I don't really understand this, but if it works then can you say all there is to say about it in a couple of lines?

MevsEinstein said:
Gaussian Integration: This is a hypothetical integration technique derived from Gauss's "some of consecutive positive integers" formula: ##n(n+1)/2##.
Note that something normally called "Gaussian quadrature" already exists as an integration technique, but ## n(n+1)/2 ## reminds me more of the Trapezoidal rule. I don't see how you can tackle these without calculus.

MevsEinstein said:
Tri-horn fractal: I messed up the generation of imaginary numbers to make this fractal: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/596884463/ . This can mean that I have made a new way to generate fractals by ruining real math.
Phrases like "ruining real math" don't go down well in research papers, however if you are interested in fractals then this could be a suitable topic. Note however that approximately 0.01% of research papers in Mathematics involve a new "invention", that is not what research is about. Instead, research is almost always finding out about what is already known and expressing it in a new way.

Does the Davidson scholarship require that applicants are nominated by someone? I think you should discuss with a potential nominator what sort of topic would be suitable and what a successful application might look like.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: berkeman
MevsEinstein said:
The main reason why I wanted to join college early was to learn Integration and stuff like that. Very disappointing >:(
You see integration in the calculus sequences for the first time. In analysis, you see the justification for it.
 
  • #10
pbuk said:
I don't really understand this, but if it works then can you say all there is to say about it in a couple of lines?
This is how Kashi's transform looks like:
##Δ(f) = f(a^2+b^2-c^2)/2ab*\cos(C) = f*2ab*\cos(C)/(a^2+b^2-c^2)##
(where ##a, b## and ##c## are sides of the triangles and ##C## is the measure of the angle opposite to side ##c##)

Substituting ##ab*\sin (C) /2##, for ##f##, you get a new area of a triangle formula: ##\tan (C) * (a^2+b^2-c^2)/2##. You can also try substituting in a random function or fraction to make a new equivalent form. For example, if you substitute ##\sin (C)/c## for ##f##, you get ##\tan(C) * (a^2+b^2-c^2)/2abc##.
 
Last edited:
  • #11
MevsEinstein said:
you get a new area of a triangle formula: ##\tan (C) * (a^2+b^2-c^2)/2##.
Oops I meant ##\tan (C) * (a^2+b^2-c^2)/4##.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K