Wind energy at 1,600 to 40,000 feet, Feasible

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of harnessing wind energy at altitudes between 1,600 to 40,000 feet, focusing on various design concepts such as helium-filled turbines and kites. The conversation touches on theoretical and practical aspects of high-altitude wind generation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention two primary designs for high-altitude wind energy: a helium-filled turbine and a kite that ascends and descends.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of these designs, particularly regarding the weight of the cable required to support the devices.
  • There is a discussion about the jet stream being a source of strong winds, with some noting the irony that planes fly in this region to conserve energy.
  • One participant humorously suggests that the wind direction favors Europe over the US, while another questions if the winds actually travel from China to the US.
  • A later reply indicates that multiple designs are currently under development for high-altitude wind generation, acknowledging that while they may be feasible, their practicality remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the feasibility and practicality of high-altitude wind energy designs. There is no consensus on the viability of the proposed designs or their potential effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the practicality of the designs, the specific challenges related to tethering and winch systems, and the varying interpretations of wind patterns.

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Interesting. Kind of ironic that the best winds are up in the Jet Stream, where planes like to fly to conserve energy...
 
berkeman said:
Interesting. Kind of ironic that the best winds are up in the Jet Stream, where planes like to fly to conserve energy...
Depends which direction you are going!
Kind of ironic that the wind wants to get from the USA to Europe!
 
mgb_phys said:
Depends which direction you are going!
Kind of ironic that the wind wants to get from the USA to Europe!

Well... Let's just say that it bypasses the US in favor of Europe. Sounds better that way... :-p
 
Hmmm, doesn't it go from China to the US?
- The winds of fortune come bearing a trade imbalance.
 
flatmaster said:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/06/16/high-altitude.wind.power/index.html


Basically two designs, one a helium-filled turbine. The other would be a kite that goes up and down.

Is this feasible? I see a major issue being the weight of cable that the device would need to support.

there's actually about a half dozen designs that are being developed right now for high altitude wind generation. As you stated one of the major design challenges is of the tether but also the winch that houses it on the ground. All the designs I have seen are feasible, but whether or not they are practical is whole other matter.
 

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