Wisconsin or Michigan for nuclear engineering (fusion) PhD?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for selecting a PhD program in nuclear engineering, specifically focusing on fusion and plasma physics at Wisconsin and Michigan. Participants explore the implications of choosing between specialized programs in fusion energy versus broader applications in plasma physics.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Wisconsin has superior programs in MHD theory and plasma physics, while Michigan offers more diverse options in applied plasmas outside of fusion energy.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the viability of fusion energy, indicating a preference for Michigan due to potentially better career prospects in applied areas.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of switching fields after obtaining a PhD, with some suggesting that basic plasma physics theory remains consistent across applications.
  • Another participant emphasizes that expertise in plasma physics should allow for transitions between different areas, including from plasma to fission reactors.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of having a PhD focused on plasma applications when seeking jobs in fission reactors, particularly regarding perceived qualifications.
  • A humorous suggestion is made about omitting the PhD from a resume to align qualifications with job expectations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best program choice and the feasibility of transitioning between fields. There is no consensus on the implications of having a PhD in plasma physics when seeking jobs in fission reactors.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the importance of personal career goals and the potential for interdisciplinary transitions, but there are unresolved questions about the specific qualifications and perceptions in the job market.

Fusiontron
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I'm looking for some input on this. Wisconsin has the better programs for MHD theory, CFD, and my undergrad advisor told me IHO it has the best plasma physics program period. However Michigan offers more options in applied plasmas in areas other than fusion energy. Honestly, I don't know if fusion energy is ever going to be viable so I might choose Michigan because although maybe the program isn't as strong for plasmas, the areas of application would led to a better career. Or it is possible to switch between the two? Or could I later do an ever bigger switch such as plasma -> fission reactor later on for job purposes even if I do a PhD on the plasma side?
 
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If you want to work in fission, do your PhD in fission.
If you want to work in fusion, do you PhD in fusion. (plasma or inertial, you have to chose))
If you want to work in non-fusion plasma physics, go for a PhD there.
If you don't care about your future job, then chose the field you prefer.

see also: https://www.iter.org
 
Fusiontron said:
I'm looking for some input on this. Wisconsin has the better programs for MHD theory, CFD, and my undergrad advisor told me IHO it has the best plasma physics program period. However Michigan offers more options in applied plasmas in areas other than fusion energy. Honestly, I don't know if fusion energy is ever going to be viable so I might choose Michigan because although maybe the program isn't as strong for plasmas, the areas of application would led to a better career. Or it is possible to switch between the two? Or could I later do an ever bigger switch such as plasma -> fission reactor later on for job purposes even if I do a PhD on the plasma side?

I would guess that the basic plasma physics theory is the same, no matter what you do with it. The application of it is what makes the two programs different. However, you shouldn't think that just because you applied it in a certain specific area, you are boxed into that area. By the time you have your PhD, you are expected to not only be an expert in a particular area, but also a general expert in plasma physics, period. And, it is also expected that you know how to learn and how to teach yourself new things if you have to switch fields.

Someone who has a more in-depth expertise in this field can tell you a lot more. However, I really can't see you doing any wrong with any of these two schools. They are extremely well-known and well-established in those two fields.

Disclaimer: I graduated from UW-Wisconsin and spent the first year there as a NE freshman before switching to physics.

Zz.
 
Yeah that seems like what I've heard you've got to be able to transition. What do you think about a more dramatic switch from plasmas to fission reactors? I would only have a MS skill level with fission reactors with a PhD focusing on plasma applications. Would that make me "overqualified" for MS skill level fission jobs?
 
No, just don't report your PhD on your resume. Tell them you have a masters in NE, won't be a lie.
 

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