Work and Energy Loss; Electrostatics

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The discussion revolves around Griffith's Problem 2.40 concerning a parallel-plate capacitor and the work done by electrostatic forces as the plates move closer together. Participants are exploring the relationship between electric field strength (E), area (A), and the work-energy principles involved in this electrostatic scenario.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expression for work done in terms of E and A, questioning the appropriateness of expanding E in their solutions. There is also a consideration of whether the potential difference across the plates was maintained during the process, which could affect the interpretation of the problem.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining different interpretations of the problem setup and the implications of their assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to express answers in terms of A and E, but no consensus has been reached on the significance of the potential difference.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify whether the voltage source remains connected or is removed before the plates are displaced, which introduces ambiguity in the analysis.

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Griffith's Problem 2.40 (a) and (b)

Suppose the plates of a parallel-plate capacitor move closer together by an infinitesimal distance ε, as a result of their mutual attraction.

a) Use

[tex] P= \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}E^2[/tex]

to express the amount of work done by the electrostatic forces, in terms of E and the area of the plates, A.

b) Use

[tex] \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}E^2 = energy per unit volume[/tex]

to express the energy lost by the field in this process.I solved the problems in my (they're both the same answer in the answer key) way getting

[tex] \frac{(q^2)\epsilon}{2A\epsilon_0}[/tex]

But Griffiths doesn't do that, he doesn't even delve into what E is, which I solved ambiguously using A. His answer was:

[tex] \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}(E^2)A\epsilon[/tex]

Is it alright that I expanded my E?
 
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mateomy said:
Griffith's Problem 2.40 (a) and (b)

Suppose the plates of a parallel-plate capacitor move closer together by an infinitesimal distance ε, as a result of their mutual attraction.

a) Use

[tex] P= \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}E^2[/tex]

to express the amount of work done by the electrostatic forces, in terms of E and the area of the plates, A.

b) Use

[tex] \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}E^2 = energy per unit volume[/tex]

to express the energy lost by the field in this process.


I solved the problems in my (they're both the same answer in the answer key) way getting

[tex] \frac{(q^2)\epsilon}{2A\epsilon_0}[/tex]

But Griffiths doesn't do that, he doesn't even delve into what E is, which I solved ambiguously using A. His answer was:

[tex] \frac{\epsilon_0}{2}(E^2)A\epsilon[/tex]

Is it alright that I expanded my E?

Well, not really. The poblem demands that the answer be in terms of A and E.

However: was it specified whether the potential difference across the plates was kept constant, or was the voltage source used to charge the capacitor removed before the displacement took place? Makes a big difference ...
 
It didn't specify. What I posted was as much as he wrote in for the particular question. But the point you brought about about A and E was overlooked and that makes sense.
 
rude man said:
However: was it specified whether the potential difference across the plates was kept constant, or was the voltage source used to charge the capacitor removed before the displacement took place? Makes a big difference ...

No, it makes a small difference (infinitesimally small, to be precise ;-P).
 
Steely Dan said:
No, it makes a small difference (infinitesimally small, to be precise ;-P).

Well, if you don't consider 2:1 as big, then OK, it makes no big difference.
 

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