Work and Spring Stiffness Constant

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a trampoline artist jumping from a height and landing on a trampoline, which is modeled as a spring. The discussion focuses on calculating the depression of the trampoline based on the artist's speed and the spring constant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between force and displacement in springs, referencing Hooke's Law. There are questions about the use of potential energy in the calculations and the implications of ignoring it.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the behavior of springs and the relevance of potential energy. There is a suggestion to consider energy conservation as a potentially simpler approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has indicated a misunderstanding in their calculations and is seeking clarification on the role of potential energy in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



A 65 kg trampoline artist jumps vertically upward from the top of a platform with a speed of 5.0 m/s. (Ignore small changes in gravitational potential energy.)

a) How fast is he going as he lands on the trampoline, 3.0 m below?
ANS: 9.2m/s
NOTE: I understand how to get this, I just need help on part B.

(b) If the trampoline behaves like a spring with spring stiffness constant 6.2e4 N/m, how far does he depress it?
ANS:

Homework Equations



x = Fs/-k
k = 6.2e4 N/m

F = ma
m = 65 kg

a = {(v_2)^2 - (v_1)^s}/{2d}

The Attempt at a Solution



x = {((v_2)^2 - (v_1)^s)*65}/{2*d*6.2e4}

My value of d = x = the depression of the trampoline, so,

x = {((v_2)^2 - (v_1)^s)*65}/{2*(x)*6.2e4}.

v_1 = 9.2 m/s
v_2 = 0 m/s

2x = .0443
x = 0.22 , which is wrong :-(.
 
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Does a spring always produce the same force no matter what its displacement is?

(And why do you think the question asks you to ignore changes in potential energy? that may be a clue...)
 
heth said:
Does a spring always produce the same force no matter what its displacement is?(And why do you think the question asks you to ignore changes in potential energy? that may be a clue...)

Yes it does produce the same force no matter what displacement is. Where did I use potential energy? I still don't understand how my equation is wrong...
 
sugarntwiligh said:
Yes it does produce the same force no matter what displacement is.

Imagine you have a great big spring, and you're trying to extend it. Or a piece of rubber and you're trying to stretch it. Imagine it pulling back at you as you pull it, and that it's strong enough not to deform.

You're saying that the spring / rubber will always pull you with the same force, no matter how far you've extended it. Does that sound right?

(Have you heard of Hooke's Law? If not, then look it up in your textbook - it will help.)

Where did I use potential energy? I still don't understand how my equation is wrong...

The fact that the question mentions "small changes in potential energy" should make you wonder if you can use energy conservation to do the question. If you can use energy conservation, this is often easier than using forces.
 

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